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  • lhecker51
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 704

    My problem with the weapons systems is that they are all different. No uniformity and consistency. This would be a tactical, training and logistical nightmare. The other issue is if they are in an active shooter engagement that depletes any team members ammo, they are SOL regarding redistribution of mags (mags AND ammo not uniform in ANY of their weapons, AR and pistol).

    This alone tells me that they value being different and allowed to bring their individual desires to the mission, logistics and uniformity be damned. I assume the know the risk and decided that looking tacti-cool trumps the mission. The reason for their leadership to allow this alludes me. Is there something I am missing here?
    Last edited by lhecker51; 01-31-2014, 9:01 AM.
    sigpicNRA Life Member***I have not and will not ever comply****

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    • Jimi Jah
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2014
      • 17690

      I remember when cops only carried 38 specials. Now they are tactical military
      on civilian streets.

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      • TRICKSTER
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Mar 2008
        • 12438

        Originally posted by Jimi Jah
        I remember when cops only carried 38 specials. Now they are tactical military
        on civilian streets.
        And I remember when the typical young gangbanger carried knives, chains and maybe a zip gun or 25acp. Now they carry semi-auto pistols and AKs.


        Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

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        • CrippledPidgeon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 1765

          Originally posted by lhecker51
          My problem with the weapons systems is that they are all different. No uniformity and consistency. This would be a tactical, training and logistical nightmare. The other issue is if they are in an active shooter engagement that depletes any team members ammo, they are SOL regarding redistribution of mags (mags AND ammo not uniform in ANY of their weapons, AR and pistol).
          Why? While yes, the guy in front and the girl behind are shooting different handguns in different calibers, the AR and the SCAR both use STANAG-style mags. Heck, it looks like they're both running magpul. So there's no problem with consistency there.

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          • Carsgunsandchics
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 3537

            Originally posted by lhecker51
            My problem with the weapons systems is that they are all different. No uniformity and consistency. This would be a tactical, training and logistical nightmare. The other issue is if they are in an active shooter engagement that depletes any team members ammo, they are SOL regarding redistribution of mags (mags AND ammo not uniform in ANY of their weapons, AR and pistol).

            This alone tells me that they value being different and allowed to bring their individual desires to the mission, logistics and uniformity be damned. I assume the know the risk and decided that looking tacti-cool trumps the mission. The reason for their leadership to allow this alludes me. Is there something I am missing here?
            Vallejo used to require the same pistol be carried by all officers regardless. This was back in the early 90's when they had money and hadn't squandered it on useless programs and landscaping.
            Originally posted by fighterpilot562
            I am more of a sucker than a blower...

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            • chuckdc
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 1919

              Originally posted by Artema
              So you agree it is not a great uniform, so why would they wear it? The only reason is they're playing dress-up. Imagine you had stayed in and never gone to civilian law enforcement. Would you really feel the same way you do now? The selection of the uniform was clearly based on only one thing.
              Maybe they get them cheap, or the department gets them free. Beats wearing expensive regular uniforms into an environment where they get messed up, dirty, or destroyed. The agency my brother works for at one time required them to wear office clothing (read that as jacket, slacks, dress shirt, dress shoes and tie) to serve warrants. Consider the idea of having to wear that on a hot day in the Central Valley and having to search barns, horse stalls, etc. I'd rather they were wearing relatively cheap, comfortable, and, for lack of a better word, disposable, clothing.
              "Mr. Rat, I have a writ here that says you are to stop eating Chen Lee's cornmeal forthwith. Now, It's a rat writ, writ for a rat, and this is lawful service of same!"

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              • iamnoone
                Banned
                • Jan 2014
                • 32

                Great. We now have people that don't understand or ignore the Constitution running around our neighborhoods shooting centerfire rifles that they can't use any better than their sidearms. Just what we needed.

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                • Librarian
                  Admin and Poltergeist
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44626

                  Originally posted by iamnoone
                  Great. We now have people that don't understand or ignore the Constitution running around our neighborhoods shooting centerfire rifles that they can't use any better than their sidearms. Just what we needed.
                  Evidence that either of the above comments applies to VPD, or an identifiable subset?

                  If none, such posts are off topic for Calguns.
                  ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                  Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                  • sigstroker
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 19043

                    Originally posted by michaelthetrojan
                    thats the FNH SCAR L
                    Pricey for a cop
                    Especially considering the city of Vallejo is bankrupt.

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                    • Sunday
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 5574

                      Originally posted by michaelthetrojan
                      thats the FNH SCAR L
                      Pricey for a cop
                      The taxpayers probably paid for it but the police aren't hurting with what they get paid.
                      California's politicians and unionized government employees are a crime gang that makes the Mexican drug cartels look like a Girl Scout Troop in comparison.

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