Unloaded Conceal Carry of AOW...

[pullnshoot25]

So as we all know, it is legal to conceal a rifle or shotgun under your coat or whatever as long as it is unloaded.

My question is, can you do it with an AOW? Like, a cut-down Mossberg Cruiser or other such weapon? I know there might be some nuances in the law concerning this so I thought I would ask, at least for scholarship purposes.

Just curious...

[pullnshoot25]

NM, just answered my own question... it can't have a barrel shorter than 16"... which doesn't do jack for an AOW... crap!

Not unless I get a C&R SxS and cut the hell out of it...

[aplinker]

NM, just answered my own question... it can't have a barrel shorter than 16"... which doesn't do jack for an AOW... crap!

Not unless I get a C&R SxS and cut the hell out of it...

Even then you would have issues with the language of the law that says, "handgun or other firearm capable of being concealed"...

I would say they wrote that with shorty AOW (how did they know we'd be so smart?) in mind.

PS - you don't need C&R to cut an AOW shotgun.

[pullnshoot25]

Oh I know about the AOW making rules, but it has to be a "firearm" first, e.g. Mossberg Cruiser or the like. C&R rules apply to making an SBR or SBS, as far as my understanding of these draconian laws go.

PC12001 states a concealable firearm is a pistol, revolver or firearm with a barrel less than 16"... so I think that even if you had an SBR/SBS/AOW, the barrel length requirement alone means you can't carry it concealed, right?

[aplinker]

Oh I know about the AOW making rules, but it has to be a "firearm" first, e.g. Mossberg Cruiser or the like. C&R rules apply to making an SBR or SBS, as far as my understanding of these draconian laws go.

Nothing I said was in reference to building

PC12001 states a concealable firearm is a pistol, revolver or firearm with a barrel less than 16"... so I think that even if you had an SBR/SBS/AOW, the barrel length requirement alone means you can't carry it concealed, right?

That's what I was referring to.

[GuyW]

PC12001 states a concealable firearm is a pistol, revolver or firearm with a barrel less than 16"... so I think that even if you had an SBR/SBS/AOW, the barrel length requirement alone means you can't carry it concealed, right?

Right (not without a CCW...)

[pullnshoot25]

Not without a CCW...

Not according to the Sacramento memo. Unloaded rifle or shotgun can be concealed on the person or in a car without a permit. Of course, you have to submit to a 12031 check if requested.

[GuyW]

Let's do this another way.

If I'm correct, a CCW can permit concealed carrying of a loaded AOW "shotgun", short-barreled rifle, or short-barreled shotgun.

Those 3 cannot be carried concealed (or loaded) in public otherwise.

[tgriffin]

Not according to the Sacramento memo. Unloaded rifle or shotgun can be concealed on the person or in a car without a permit. Of course, you have to submit to a 12031 check if requested.

What you are refering to in the Sacramento memo was the Chief acknowledging that NFA barrel length for rifle is 16". If it was a true SBR, that 16" concealled carry would not apply without separate provision in law against the concealled carry of a SBR. For a shotgun, the minimum barrel length, as I'm sure you know, regardless of concealment, is 18" in length and not a hair less.

[hoffmang]

AOW's are basically regulated as if they are handguns under California law as it pertains to bearing them. Keeping them is only really controlled by Federal NFA rules.

You could conceal an unloaded Mossberg Cruiser with an 18.25" barrel, but you can't conceal and unloaded 10" Mossberg AOW as it would be considered a concealed "other weapon concealable on the person."

Normal rifles and shotguns are by definition not concealable on the person. That does leave an interesting argument about even the 18.25" cruiser but...

-Gene

[Hopi]

AOW's are basically regulated as if they are handguns under California law as it pertains to bearing them. Keeping them is only really controlled by Federal NFA rules.

You could conceal an unloaded Mossberg Cruiser with an 18.25" barrel, but you can't conceal and unloaded 10" Mossberg AOW as it would be considered a concealed "other weapon concealable on the person."

Normal rifles and shotguns are by definition not concealable on the person. That does leave an interesting argument about even the 18.25" cruiser but...

-Gene

What type of firearm is the Cruiser, according to CA law, considering that it is a long arm that requires the buyer to be 21 yrs of age?