Buy multiple guns at once?

[thatryan]

Title says it all.

Is it legal to start DROS process on multiple guns at once? Mixed type, rifle and handgun? err, maybe two rifles and a handgun...

Or will they think I am a crazy person?

[tleeocinca]

You can have a DROS going on rifle and handgun at the same time. Two handguns would be a no because of the 1 in every 30 law. Keep in mind that this only applies to new handguns. You can PPT purchase as many as you want

[tonyxcom]

You can buy several handguns at once, but only one can be a new purchase. Consignments are also considered PPT's under some circumstances.

[Mitch]

Just about every time I buy or transfer a firearm, I toss a couple of stripped lowers into the DROS. I have a box full of them now.

[alfred1222]

Ya not anymore though, AFAIK. Now, you have to do one DROS per gun, whether it is a rifle or a pistol. So, for example, you can go into a gun shop, and buy:

ONE new handgun, on its own DROS
unlimited used handguns, each has its own DROS
unlimited new or used rifles, each has its own DROS

The days of DROS-ing 10 guns on one DROS are gone as of 1/1/14, due to the whole registration thing. But thats just what i learned from reading. I could be wrong

[thatryan]

Excellent, thank you for the input all!

[tonyxcom]

Ya not anymore though, AFAIK. Now, you have to do one DROS per gun, whether it is a rifle or a pistol. So, for example, you can go into a gun shop, and buy:

ONE new handgun, on its own DROS
unlimited used handguns, each has its own DROS
unlimited new or used rifles, each has its own DROS

The days of DROS-ing 10 guns on one DROS are gone as of 1/1/14, due to the whole registration thing. But thats just what i learned from reading. I could be wrong

That's all incorrect info actually.

You can put multiple purchases on a SINGLE DROS. This includes rifles, handguns, consignments, PPTs, and dealer/internet transfers.

BUT, you have to do them at the SAME time. The days of adding another long gun or lower to your DROS at pickup is what is over.

[bill_k_lopez]

Ya not anymore though, AFAIK. Now, you have to do one DROS per gun, whether it is a rifle or a pistol. So, for example, you can go into a gun shop, and buy:

ONE new handgun, on its own DROS
unlimited used handguns, each has its own DROS
unlimited new or used rifles, each has its own DROS

The days of DROS-ing 10 guns on one DROS are gone as of 1/1/14, due to the whole registration thing. But thats just what i learned from reading. I could be wrong

That isn't correct.

Penal Code Section 28240


28240. (a) Until January 1, 2014, only one fee shall be charged
pursuant to this article for a single transaction on the same date
for the sale of any number of firearms that are not handguns, or for
the taking of possession of those firearms.

(b) Beginning January 1, 2014, only one fee shall be charged
pursuant to this article for a single transaction on the same date
for taking title or possession of any number of firearms.

However - according to some of those with access to the DES, each DROS entry may only have one gun listed. To open another DROS entry you must close the initial entry - thus signifying a second DROS and a second "charge". There is a way (according to those in the know) that multiple DROS entries may be tied together, and the FFL should only charge you one fee (see PC 28240) - although those FFLs are interpreting this as when you actualy walk in the store the very first day and say "I'll take one of those". As long as you say "I'll take one of these and two of those" on the first day you walk in. According to them, you can do it.

My interest with this whole debacle is the wording of 28240b - what is the legal defenition of "for the taking posession of those firearms"? Common sense (which you can ever apply to Ca laws) is that I can't legally "take possession" of any firearm until specific conditions are met - one is successfully passing a background check, the other (for our lovely state) is successfully waiting 10/24 hour periods.

Thus I read this as buy a gun today, come back before you can "take possession" (read the PC "only one fee shall be charged pursuant to this article for a single transaction on the same date for taking title or possession of any number of firearms") and you should be able to add as many guns as you care to purchase, and walk out the door with them - when you can legally take possession of the first gun you purchased that opened the DROS.

Now, prior to 2014 - there was nothing stopping FFLs from doing this either - some allowed you to and some didn't. Both gave you the same answer "state law".

I've now set out to try and get a response (in writing) from CA DOJ as to when a person can legally "take possession" of a purchased firearm.

[ant21b]

That's all incorrect info actually.

You can put multiple purchases on a SINGLE DROS. This includes rifles, handguns, consignments, PPTs, and dealer/internet transfers.

BUT, you have to do them at the SAME time. The days of adding another long gun or lower to your DROS at pickup is what is over.

What about starting a DROS on one rifle at one store and a few days later starting a second DROS at a diffrent store for one handgun. The first DROS is not closed when starting the second one at a different store.

[tonyxcom]

It goes without saying that a DROS at one store isn't the same thing as a DROS at another store. And also doesn't really match the "same time" requirement does it? But you can have as many DROSs open at a time that you want. But multiple guns purchased at the same time can fall under a single DROS.

[bill_k_lopez]

That's all incorrect info actually.

You can put multiple purchases on a SINGLE DROS. This includes rifles, handguns, consignments, PPTs, and dealer/internet transfers.

BUT, you have to do them at the SAME time. The days of adding another long gun or lower to your DROS at pickup is what is over.

Show me in the PC where it says that - it infact says exactly the opposite. It clearly says

"...for a single transaction on the same date for taking title or possession."

To compund my thougts on this from my previous post - an FFL like Turner's allows you to leave a ballance due - they take a "deposit" on the gun you are buying - and your receipt clearly says its a refundable (with conditions) deposit. You don't get a receipt for buying a gun (assume this is legal "title" for your purchase) until you go in and pay the ballance.

What about starting a DROS on one rifle at one store and a few days later starting a second DROS at a diffrent store for one handgun. The first DROS is not closed when starting the second one at a different store.

Funny thing to me is that laws seem to be written two different ways: very specifically explicit or very specifically vague.

Does the PC explicitly say the multiple transactions must take place from a single FFL? Usually those things are defined, and if not its what they call a loop hole.

[alfred1222]

That's all incorrect info actually.

You can put multiple purchases on a SINGLE DROS. This includes rifles, handguns, consignments, PPTs, and dealer/internet transfers.

BUT, you have to do them at the SAME time. The days of adding another long gun or lower to your DROS at pickup is what is over.

No, actually you are wrong. You have to have ONE dros for each handgun. You cant buy a new pistol and a PPT pistol and put them on the same DROS. Its just not possible with how that system is set up. When you DROS a pistol, you go into the manufacturer tab, and enter in all the guns info. Make, model, SN, color, everything you can possibly enter about the gun. If you want to buy a second handgun, then that first DROS must be submitted, and another must be started. This will charge the FFL for two DROS's, which means he will charge you for two DROS's.

I sold guns for years, and this is how the system works. My statement about how the rifles will work is a carryover from this, because im assuming the system didnt change. You can buy a lot of rifles, but, for each rifle, you will get charged the $25 or whatever it is now. There is no way, not at all, to put multiple purchases on one DROS anymore.

[alfred1222]

What about starting a DROS on one rifle at one store and a few days later starting a second DROS at a diffrent store for one handgun. The first DROS is not closed when starting the second one at a different store.

You can start multiple DROS's at once, it doesnt matter what store youre at. But the one thing you CANT do is to go to Store A, and buy a new handgun, then go to Store B the next day and buy another new handgun. Any other combination besides two handguns is ok

[tonyxcom]

No, actually you are wrong. You have to have ONE dros for each handgun. You cant buy a new pistol and a PPT pistol and put them on the same DROS. Its just not possible with how that system is set up. When you DROS a pistol, you go into the manufacturer tab, and enter in all the guns info. Make, model, SN, color, everything you can possibly enter about the gun. If you want to buy a second handgun, then that first DROS must be submitted, and another must be started. This will charge the FFL for two DROS's, which means he will charge you for two DROS's.

I sold guns for years, and this is how the system works. My statement about how the rifles will work is a carryover from this, because im assuming the system didnt change. You can buy a lot of rifles, but, for each rifle, you will get charged the $25 or whatever it is now. There is no way, not at all, to put multiple purchases on one DROS anymore.

Have you sold any guns in 2014?

[ant21b]

You can start multiple DROS's at once, it doesnt matter what store youre at. But the one thing you CANT do is to go to Store A, and buy a new handgun, then go to Store B the next day and buy another new handgun. Any other combination besides two handguns is ok

I did not say that I said store A one rifle or long gun and store B one handgun. According to you this is Ok. I am not so sure that it might still cause problems even though its perfectly ok.