bulk ammo in Los Angles questions.

[spearedfishes]

So I found some 7.62x54r 440 round at a dirt cheap price. But in the shipping it says the can't ship to Los Angles but other parts of CA are ok. My buddy's have mosins as well. One lives in orange County and other lives in San bernardino. Can they order ammo online. Also what's the max ammo I can purchase in one day in Los angles. If me and my buddy's were able to get this it would last a long time.

[Jester3]

Where did you find the deal?

[desertrider]

Last month at the OC gun show Miwall was selling 880rd crates including the can opener for $216 OTD.

I picked one up because at the time the price was pretty much the same as the stuff I was finding online by the time you included shipping.

They had a bunch of them.

[elekt]

Santa Monica, El Segundo, Torrance, OC, other bay cities that aren't Los Angeles are good to go for receiving ammo through the mail.

[golfish]

This is a little less then 190.00, that includes shipping.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/surplus/880-round-crate-762x54r-romanian-1980s-148-grain-lps-light-ball-surplus-ammo

I take my Mosin out every time we go shooting. If I shoot 80 rounds,I'm good. I figure the last crate I bought will last me 6-8 months.

[SanPedroShooter]

Where in LA are you? I am in San Pedro which is just a neighborhood, but you slip past the check by avoiding the words 'Los Angeles'

Pick the name of the area of LA you live in and try again.

[Vlad 11]

Also what's the max ammo I can purchase in one day in Los Angeles?

There is 'No Limit'. I would suggest that one go 'All In' before the Corrupt Leftist CA politicians further restrict our ammo rights this year.



Shipping restrictions to LA are largely FUD

[choo2x]

Shipping restrictions to LA are largely FUD

From the Municipal Code of the City of Los Angeles:

SEC. 55.11. REQUIREMENTS FOR AMMUNITION SALES. (Title and Section Amended by Ord. No. 180,447, Eff. 2/2/09, Oper. 6/18/09.)

(a) "Firearm Ammunition" means any self-contained unit consisting of the case, primer, propellant charge, and projectile for use in pistols, revolvers, rifles, shot guns, or any other device designed to be used as a weapon from which is expelled a projectile by the force of explosion or other form of combustion. "Firearm Ammunition" shall not include blank ammunition used solely in the course of motion picture, television, video, or theatrical productions.

(b) The term "vendor", as used in this section, shall mean any person who is engaged in the retail sale of firearm ammunition and retail firearms dealers.

(c) No vendor shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any firearm ammunition to any person other than those listed in subsection (g) without at the time of purchase recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Board of Police Commissioners:

1. the date of the transaction,

2. the name, address and date of birth of the transferee,

3. the transferee's drivers license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued,

4. the brand, type and amount of ammunition transferred,

5. the transferee's signature, and

6. the name of the sales person who processed the transaction.

The vendor shall also at the time of purchase or transfer obtain the right thumb print of the purchaser or transferee on the above-referenced form.



^^^This is why there are ammunition shipping restrictions to the City of Los Angeles.

[TheWoodCrafter]

More hoops to jump through for a seller.
Just like the hoops out of state FFL need to do when they ship to us.
Pisses me off when I see "No sale to California" on gunbroker.

Complete crap and definitely an infringement.

[Vlad 11]

^^^This is why there are ammunition shipping restrictions to the City of Los Angeles.[/INDENT]

That does not say anything about shipping restrictions. It only applies to the vendors within the city limits and the requirements for those ftf transactions. City ordinances aren't applicable to businesses outside of their jurisdiction

[choo2x]

That does not say anything about shipping restrictions. It only applies to the vendors within the city limits and the requirements for those ftf transactions. City ordinances aren't applicable to businesses outside of their jurisdiction

Ok, one more time.

Please show me where the code says vendors within the city limits. It does not.

Also, please tell me how any vendor who sells ammunition to a person in the City of Los Angeles "shall also at the time of purchase or transfer obtain the right thumb print of the purchaser or transferee on the above-referenced form", if they ship the ammunition to said person.

Also, please show me what makes you think city ordinances do not apply to businesses outside of the city that are transacting business within the city.

You live in the San Fernando Valley. Unless you live in an incorporated city like Burbank, Calabasas, Glendale, Hidden Hills, or San Fernando, you live in the City of Los Angeles.

If your address says "Porter Ranch, CA" or "Chatsworth, CA", you might be able to get a vendor to ship ammunition to you, because they are ignorant of the neighborhoods within the City of Los Angeles. They think that those neighborhoods are separate incorporated cities, so they ship ammunition.

Most vendors outside of the state of California do not understand this. They think they are complying with the law by not shipping to mailing addresses that say "Los Angeles, CA".

If you would have taken the time to read the post above your first spout of FUD:

Where in LA are you? I am in San Pedro which is just a neighborhood, but you slip past the check by avoiding the words 'Los Angeles'

Pick the name of the area of LA you live in and try again.

You would have seen that SanPedroShooter had already explained this to the OP.

Please stop spreading your FUD to others, when you obviously do not understand and/or are ignorant of the laws that apply in this case. Thanks.

[Vlad 11]

Nice Diatribe

This topic comes up 10 times a year.

That code says nothing about shipping ammunition.

Ill stick with my position, which the same as the most knowledgeable people on this site.

[choo2x]

To the OP, have your ammunition shipped to one of your buddies, and your problem is solved.


To Vlad 11, I asked you to show me why you said what you said in your post:

That does not say anything about shipping restrictions. It only applies to the vendors within the city limits and the requirements for those ftf transactions. City ordinances aren't applicable to businesses outside of their jurisdiction

Ok, one more time.

Please show me where the code says vendors within the city limits. It does not.

Also, please tell me how any vendor who sells ammunition to a person in the City of Los Angeles "shall also at the time of purchase or transfer obtain the right thumb print of the purchaser or transferee on the above-referenced form", if they ship the ammunition to said person.

Also, please show me what makes you think city ordinances do not apply to businesses outside of the city that are transacting business within the city.

You, of course, had no answer, because you are spouting FUD.


At no time have I stated that there was a shipping restriction as you implied:

This topic comes up 10 times a year.

That code says nothing about shipping ammunition.

Ill stick with my position, which the same as the most knowledgeable people on this site.

There is a record keeping provision of the law, which I highlighted for you, and you highlighted yourself:

The vendor shall also at the time of purchase or transfer obtain the right thumb print of the purchaser or transferee on the above-referenced form.



^^^This is why there are ammunition shipping restrictions to the City of Los Angeles.[/INDENT]

This is why companies choose not to ship ammunition to the City of Los Angeles. They have no way to obtain the right thumb print of the purchaser when their delivery agent delivers the ammunition.

Does the City of Los Angeles have the power and reach to go after vendors who ship ammunition to residents with the city limits? Possibly, but no one knows.


If it was your business:

• Would you risk the time and money to fight any possible legal action brought by the city against your business for not keeping proper records (no thumbprint) as required by city ordinances?
  
• Would that risk be worth any profits you would derive from sales to customers in the City of Los Angeles?

Since you deferred to Librarian to defend your position, I'll leave him with the last word, as I am done with this thread:

You are running into the confluence of three different ideas.

1) what is actually on the books.

2) what local government believes it can enforce against people who are not residents or physically present in their jurisdictions.

3) what mail order or on-line sellers BELIEVE is true about (1) and (2).

The combination is essentially impossible to resolve.

Los Angeles city has an ordinance requiring ammunition buyers and sales be logged. Sacramento has a similar ordinance, and they have specifically disclaimed any desire to enforce that on mail order.

Numerous sellers act as if they believe there is something enforceable against them, in several places in CA. The best thing to do is take your business to sellers who do not believe their sales to California residents place their businesses at risk.