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  • Syke001
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 47

    Wanting to know

    Is a m16 trigger group and bolt legal in an ar15 with no sear installed or holes for the sear
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    Syke001
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 47

    Any one ?

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    • #3
      JDay
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Nov 2008
      • 19393

      The full auto bolt carrier is 100% legal. What do you mean by "trigger group"? If you just mean the trigger and hammer I'd think that's fine since there's nothing there that would convert you to full auto.
      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

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      • #4
        joe_gman
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 1225

        The m16 bolt is fine in California. The m16 trigger group is iffy and could still be considered manufacturing a MG. An auto sear is basically a no go here. Why not just go with an AR trigger group. The M16 trigger group is designed to function best with an auto sear.
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        • #5
          JohnCCW
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 1307

          I remember reading somewhere that no unique parts that make a machine gun (NFA class 3) may be installed into a semi-auto, even if all the rest are original parts and the gun does not function as full auto.

          i.e. you can't put a an auto bolt for a G3 into a Hk91 even though you don't have a trigger group/ auto sear installed. or visa-versa.

          I guess the ATF considers it "making" a machine gun, even if non-functional in full auto without additional parts.

          NFA parts are legal to own, just don't use them to assemble a MG. Wait at least after TSHTF
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          • #6
            JDay
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Nov 2008
            • 19393

            Originally posted by JohnCCW
            I remember reading somewhere that no unique parts that make a machine gun (NFA class 3) may be installed into a semi-auto, even if all the rest are original parts and the gun does not function as full auto.

            i.e. you can't put a an auto bolt for a G3 into a Hk91 even though you don't have a trigger group/ auto sear installed. or visa-versa.

            I guess the ATF considers it "making" a machine gun, even if non-functional in full auto without additional parts.

            NFA parts are legal to own, just don't use them to assemble a MG. Wait at least after TSHTF
            The ATF has a letter that states installation of a full auto bolt carrier group is not manufacturing a machine gun if installing that part does not make the firearm fire full auto.

            In order to condense the infamous thread, still tacked, regarding this issue down to the bare bones of the law and letters, I have created this post. Before you read this, please understand that I, a


            Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

            The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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              JohnCCW
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 1307

              This is where the confusion comes from:

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              • #8
                JDay
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2008
                • 19393

                The full auto bolt carrier group is fine, most manufactures ship them in their rifles.
                Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                • #9
                  TacticalPlinker
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 2532

                  Originally posted by JDay
                  The full auto bolt carrier group is fine, most manufactures ship them in their rifles.
                  Correct. The BCG has no effect on your rate of fire in terms of semi-auto vs. full-auto/select-fire.

                  The trigger group is something differently entirely. Even if you're missing a part to make the firearm function in full-auto/select-fire mode (the sear for example), you are still asking for legal trouble if you choose to install any full-auto/select-fire FCG components in a semi-auto firearm without the proper knowledge and paperwork.

                  EDIT: In fact, most companies won't even sell you true M-16 FCG components without paperwork.

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                  • #10
                    Syke001
                    Junior Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 47

                    Yea I mean the trigger,hammer,and disconnector not the sear or selector

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                    • #11
                      TacticalPlinker
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 2532

                      Why?.... Don't Do It!
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                      • #12
                        Syke001
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2013
                        • 47

                        Wouldn't it be faster and more reliable

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                        • #13
                          NoNOS67
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2161

                          What makes you think that?

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                          • #14
                            TacticalPlinker
                            Veteran Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 2532

                            Faster? Faster how?

                            Reliable? I doubt it. At least in a semi-auto. Just buy a quality mil-spec trigger.
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