80% lower receiver issues

[sirdutch]

What are the legal ramifications of building an AR utilizing an 80% finished lower receiver?

Since these receivers are not finished, they are not considered firearms by definition and they can be purchased without a FFL check I would assume that one wishing to be California Compliant would build one with the required bullet button to stay within the rules of a California compliant AR's.

I personally believe in staying within the law as it exists and effecting change through the legal system to change the laws I disagree with. California is, of course, a tough state for pro 2nd amendment advocates but breaking the law only gives the anti 2nd amendment crowd more ammo.

What are the issues with building your own unregistered rifle, under these circumstances, as of January 1st, 20014?

Is it legal for a California resident to build a rifle such as this in this state?


Does one need to have it serialized and DROS it?

I don't have one but I am interested in the subject since first hearing about 80% lowers at a local gunshop recently.

Thanks!

[bbgughj]

HI

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[edgerly779]

Use search function many posts about 80% lowers. Those questions make us think you are a troll or have had your head under a rock for a while. You show you have been a member since 2009 ???

[Dutch3]

Build it and enjoy it.

"sirdutch", eh?

[sirdutch]

A troll eh! Your a jerk. I suspect that you live in a basement at your mothers house and don't even pay her any rent. It seems to me you ought to make it a goal to start the New Year with a better attitude towards others trying to get informed on issues they need answers on and making this forum a welcoming place for fellow gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters to spend an afternoon on.

[CSACANNONEER]

First of all, I stay within the law and try not to use mag locks of any kind. Some of my homebuilt guns do not have bullet buttons or any other brand of magazine locks and they are legal. There is no requirement to use them if you don't have any evil features.

That said, it is only legal to manufacture a firearm for personal use if you are legally allowed to own said firearm. No "Dealer Record Of Sale" is required because, it has not gone through a dealer to be transferred. No SN is required either. When it comes to homebuilt firearms, the only law that has changed today is one about having to have a "Long gun safety card" or whatever they are calling it. So, since to legally take possession of a long gun in CA, you now need this card, you need this card before you legally build a rifle.

[ivanimal]

A troll eh! Your a jerk. I suspect that you live in a basement at your mothers house and don't even pay her any rent. It seems to me you ought to make it a goal to start the New Year with a better attitude towards others trying to get informed on issues they need answers on and making this forum a welcoming place for fellow gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters to spend an afternoon on.

Call another member a name and you can go back where you came from.

[Ninety]

http://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/industry/0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf

[CSACANNONEER]

http://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/in...top-10-qas.pdf

But that doesn't explain CA laws.

[bbgughj]

First of all, I stay within the law and try not to use mag locks of any kind. Some of my homebuilt guns do not have bullet buttons or any other brand of magazine locks and they are legal. There is no requirement to use them if you don't have any evil features.

That said, it is only legal to manufacture a firearm for personal use if you are legally allowed to own said firearm. No "Dealer Record Of Sale" is required because, it has not gone through a dealer to be transferred. No SN is required either. When it comes to homebuilt firearms, the only law that has changed today is one about having to have a "Long gun safety card" or whatever they are calling it. So, since to legally take possession of a long gun in CA, you now need this card, you need this card before you legally build a rifle.

Correct me if I'm Wrong , I thought that was for 2015

[Flipdude]

When it comes to homebuilt firearms, the only law that has changed today is one about having to have a "Long gun safety card" or whatever they are calling it. So, since to legally take possession of a long gun in CA, you now need this card, you need this card before you legally build a rifle.

SB-683 the long gun safe handling demonstration will not take effect until January 1, 2015.

SEC. 5.
Section 26860 is added to the Penal Code, to read:

26860.
(a) Except as authorized by the department, commencing January 1, 2015, a firearms dealer shall not deliver a long gun unless the recipient performs a safe handling demonstration with that long gun.
(b) The department shall, not later than January 1, 2015, adopt regulations establishing a long gun safe handling demonstration that shall include, at a minimum, loading and unloading the long gun.
(c) The firearms dealer shall sign and date an affidavit stating that the requirements of subdivision (a) and the regulations adopted pursuant to subdivision (b) have been met. The firearms dealer shall additionally obtain the signature of the long gun purchaser on the same affidavit. The firearms dealer shall retain the original affidavit as proof of compliance with this section.
(d) The recipient shall perform the safe handling demonstration for a department-certified instructor.
(e) A demonstration is not required if the dealer is returning the long gun to the owner of the long gun.
(f) Department-certified instructors who may administer the safe handling demonstration shall meet the requirements set forth in subdivision (b) of Section 31635.
(g) An individual who is exempt from the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 31615, pursuant to Section 31700, is also exempt from performing the safe handling demonstration.

[umd]

I see a lot about the "firearms dealer" in that but nothing that would apply if you make your own.

[Flipdude]

I see a lot about the "firearms dealer" in that but nothing that would apply if you make your own.

Good point, gotta love the ambiguity of gun laws.

[Ninety]

But that doesn't explain CA laws.

What CA law?
There is no CA law regarding building a homemade firearm.

OP asked the legalities in building a homemade firearm from an 80% lower. Those are the legalities there. No we can get into CA compliance, SSE, and a whole bunch of other things but that is all the laws I'm aware of regarding building your own home made fire arm for personal use.

As of now... CA I'm sure has something waiting in the shadows.

[CSACANNONEER]

Correct me if I'm Wrong , I thought that was for 2015

Oooopps, I screwed up. We have another year before that extra hurdle and extra tax takes affect.

What CA law?
There is no CA law regarding building a homemade firearm.

OP asked the legalities in building a homemade firearm from an 80% lower. Those are the legalities there. No we can get into CA compliance, SSE, and a whole bunch of other things but that is all the laws I'm aware of regarding building your own home made fire arm for personal use.

As of now... CA I'm sure has something waiting in the shadows.

The OP asked about homebuilds in CA so, yes, Ca laws that regulate legal firearms inside this state and how a firearm might need to be exempt from the roster to be legally obtained do apply here. Laws do not need to be specific to homebuilding to apply to homebuilding.