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  • roushstage2
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 2782

    Did proof of residency requirements change?

    I DROS'd an XD(m) today with my LEO ID, Driver's License (current, but does not have my current physical address) and current DMV Registration that has my current physical address. I bought my two on-roster handguns with just my DL and DMV registration. I was told I needed another form of proof of residency like a utility bill or hunting/fishing license for the state requirements before I'm able to pick it up.

    Did the laws change and I missed it? I can't find any such change...? Looking around, it seems I don't even need that extra form of proof of residency if I allow my LEO ID to be copied and retained, which it was.

    What proof of residency are peace officers required to provide?

    Peace officers, including reserve and retired peace officers, may present valid credentials issued by a California law enforcement agency in lieu of the other required residency documentation. This consideration is given to peace officers who do not want to provide documentation of their residence address for security reasons and who otherwise do not object to having their credentials copied by the firearms dealer for inclusion with the DROS record.
    Last edited by roushstage2; 12-26-2013, 9:23 PM.
  • #2
    Librarian
    Admin and Poltergeist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 44683

    Feds require this: the 4473 and
    In
    addition, before transferring to such a
    nonlicensee a firearm, the licensee must
    obtain from the transferee
    documentation establishing that the
    transferee is a resident of the State in
    which the licensee’s business premises
    are located. That is, each transferee
    must present proof of residence in the
    State, in the form of a government issued
    identification document (for
    example, a driver’s license or State issued
    identification card) containing
    the person’s name, residence address,
    date of birth, and photograph.
    All guns, CA -
    26815. No firearm shall be delivered:

    ...

    (c) Unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents clear evidence of the person’s identity and age to the dealer.
    ...
    and what proves that is
    16400. As used in this part, “clear evidence of the person’s identity and age” means either of the following:

    (a) A valid California driver’s license.

    (b) A valid California identification card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles.
    NB "valid" - expired is not valid.

    For handguns, it is
    26845. (a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation indicating that the person is a California resident.

    (b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice.

    (c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.
    ETA: http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#13G 'other evidence' is
    Examples of acceptable proof of residency:

    - Current DMV registrations.
    - Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name on it from within the last 3 months.
    - Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.

    Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:

    - Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
    - Cellular phone bill.
    No, that has not changed recently.
    Last edited by Librarian; 12-26-2013, 11:01 PM.
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    Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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    • #3
      Cali-Glock
      In Memoriam
      • Mar 2005
      • 3890

      Since I receive no mail at my home, our drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, utility bills, all have our PO Box number and not our physical address. Our tax bill shows our physical address.

      Some dealers refuse to sell unless the DL and other documents have the street address: something which is impossible for me.
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      • #4
        roushstage2
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2011
        • 2782

        Did proof of residency requirements change?

        My DL has my PO BOX and my DMV registration has both my PO BOX and physical, and both are current/valid/non-expired. I think there was just a mix up on the dates or something. I'm going to call back and double check.

        Cali-Glock: my stuff was the same way for the same reason. I added my physical to my DMV registration solely for firearms purchases to avoid this hassle (and all of them before).

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        • #5
          TNP'R
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2010
          • 7832

          CA is to strict, all i gotta do is a background check to buy a handgun.

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          • #6
            roushstage2
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 2782

            Oh, I forgot. Thanks for all of the info Librarian!

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            • #7
              roushstage2
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 2782

              I called and I need another form because my vDL doesn't have my current physical so my DMV registration is only the first proof of residency. Either something changed or the two other places I've bought handguns from in the past year have done it wrong. No biggie. I know it is all about CYA in this state and I'm willing to do that for a good shop! I'm just going to type up and lease and get it notarized when I head down to the range today. Thanks again everyone!

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              • #8
                ke6guj
                Moderator
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Nov 2003
                • 23725

                Originally posted by roushstage2
                I called and I need another form because my vDL doesn't have my current physical so my DMV registration is only the first proof of residency. Either something changed or the two other places I've bought handguns from in the past year have done it wrong. No biggie. I know it is all about CYA in this state and I'm willing to do that for a good shop! I'm just going to type up and lease and get it notarized when I head down to the range today. Thanks again everyone!
                nothing changed, you just ran into an ignorant FFL. you never need 2 proofs of residency for CA, just one. the DL never counts as POR. whatever you use as POR is your first POR.
                Jack



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                No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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