Weld flash hider slots closed-Brake now?

[Livetoride33]

Tried searching but didn't come up with anything.

I converted my AR 9mm to featureless and removed the A2 style flash hider.

The threads are 1/2 x 36 which makes it a ***** to find a brake/compensator, which is pretty much useless on a 9mm anyway.

Can I weld the slots shut on the A2 birdcage and still use it? Would that make it a brake or brake like, or am I asking for trouble?

Thanks in advance.

[pdq_wizzard]

not sure, I think it would still be a flash hider, from what I have read to be a brake it should be the same size of the bullet.

but then you are making it and can call it want you want. but IAMAL

forgot to add I hate these STUPID CA BS laws!!!!

[Livetoride33]

not sure, I think it would still be a flash hider, from what I have read to be a brake it should be the same size of the bullet.

but then you are making it and can call it want you want. but IAMAL

forgot to add I hate these STUPID CA BS laws!!!!

Hmm...I did see something about the exit hole about the size of the bullet in searching google.

Maybe weld a washer on the front?

Hell with that much time invested, might as well buy the YHM one for $60

[Walking Fire]

Some things to consider..

http://www.recoilweb.com/preview-flash-suppressors-muzzle-brakes-compensators-tip-barrel-5927.html

http://vuurwapenblog.com/2013/10/03/ar15-muzzle-brakeflash-hidercompensator-comparison-part-1/

[Cuda440]

It doesn't have to be a brake or compensator, it just can't be a flash hider.

If you weld the slots, it's no longer a functional flash hider. A mock flash hider should be just as legal as a mock supressor is.

[kingjoey]

In early-2014 we'll have our new KA-0235 comp/brake coming out. It'll be made in 1/2"x28 and 1/2"x36 and is specifically for 9mm SMG's and 9mm AR-15's. It is CA legal since it isn't a "flash suppressor"

[bohoki]

hmm anybody weld their slots closed i was thinking man a thread protector costs like $12 and an a1 hider is like $8 maybe i could do it with my lincoln and some 7018

[Mossy Man]

it can't be advertised as having flash suppressing characteristics, either, as it automatically fails step one.

Whether or not you modifying the FH changes it enough to no longer be the original product is anyone's guess.

[JamesY]

Just get the YHM and save yourself a headache. Either that or get a muzzle protector.

[d4v0s]

Tried searching but didn't come up with anything.

I converted my AR 9mm to featureless and removed the A2 style flash hider.

The threads are 1/2 x 36 which makes it a ***** to find a brake/compensator, which is pretty much useless on a 9mm anyway.

Can I weld the slots shut on the A2 birdcage and still use it? Would that make it a brake or brake like, or am I asking for trouble?

Thanks in advance.

If it began life as a FH, then nothing you do will change that. If its marketed to be a FH, but is 100% the same as a MB. It is still a FH and illegal on a featureless build.

-functionally it will be a muzzle break, but the packaging it came in said FH, and that ruins it forever.

[rero360]

How will welding the ports shut make it act as a brake? Seriously, I'm curious in how you think brakes work and how welding shut the slots on a flash hider transforms it into a brake. . . functionally.

In reality, welding the slots shut will make it like the old school funnel flash hiders, like on the 1903 and M1 Garand sniper rifles and others.

A brake works by redirecting gases rearward, think of it like mini rockets pushing the rifle forward, thereby reducing felt recoil.

[Livetoride33]

Rero, you are correct. I didn't mean or even think it would function like a brake. I guess I should have stated "Will it no longer be a FH?"

I read some more forums in other states and during the other years where the A2 was sleeved and welded, with the front opening closed up to the size of the bullet.

With that much work, everyone above is right...I'll just buy one. I am a "I want it now, maybe I can make it" kinda guy and thought a few min with my mig and I would be done...but doesn't look like that is happening.

Kingjoey, let me know when you come out with those.

[d4v0s]

How will welding the ports shut make it act as a brake? Seriously, I'm curious in how you think brakes work and how welding shut the slots on a flash hider transforms it into a brake. . . functionally.

In reality, welding the slots shut will make it like the old school funnel flash hiders, like on the 1903 and M1 Garand sniper rifles and others.

A brake works by redirecting gases rearward, think of it like mini rockets pushing the rifle forward, thereby reducing felt recoil.

Functionally, as in by the standards of the law.

Because it would not longer be setup to "hide the flash"... This was a discussion on legality not the physics behind it..

[Sunday]

Buy a brake don't mess with the welding.

[redcliff]

Rero, you are correct. I didn't mean or even think it would function like a brake. I guess I should have stated "Will it no longer be a FH?"

I read some more forums in other states and during the other years where the A2 was sleeved and welded, with the front opening closed up to the size of the bullet.

With that much work, everyone above is right...I'll just buy one. I am a "I want it now, maybe I can make it" kinda guy and thought a few min with my mig and I would be done...but doesn't look like that is happening.

Kingjoey, let me know when you come out with those.

From a federal standpoint, not that it matters since we're discussing CA law, welding up a flash hider would make it "not a flash hider" if we can count on the Springfield SAR-8 precedent where the flash hider was simply not milled fully in the slot area.

Welding a washer onto the front of an M16A2 flash suppressor should make it a "brake" as you're forcing a redirection of gas that would normally exit out the front. I've seen it done before in the early Fed AWB years when flash suppressors were forbidden.

I agree though that a safe harbor solution in CA is to just buy a muzzle brake advertised as such.