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  • budprop
    Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 190

    Idiot Horizon employees

    Forgive me if this is in the wrong place, but since it was a story about a shotgun I put it here.
    So there I was, and the situation was desperate indeed. I was traveling with two children under 10, had to get up at 4am and flying out of a tiny central Washington airport.
    I was traveling with a couple of C&R handguns in a locked case in my suitcase that I had declared with the airline in the proper manor, in addition to the handguns, I had a Winchester model 97 shotgun that i had disassembled. The receiver was locked in the handgun case, the barrel and stock were in my large suitcase. After going through security I had made a b-line to the bathroom. While I was washing my hands my son came in and said that they were calling for me at security.
    I went over and the ticket agent started yelling at me that I had an undeclared firearm in my bag and the cops were on their way. I informed her that there was indeed no firearm in my bag that wasn't locked up. I then turned to the TSA agent and told him calmly that I had a barrel in my suitcase and since it was not a firearm and was essentially a metal tube didn't fit the criteria for a firearm it was not prohibited. He shrugged his shoulders and said that this was an airline thing and the police will sort it out.
    My wife was at this point just shaking her head knowing that I was about to go to war, ushered the kids to the gate and tried to avoid the stares of the other passengers who were now involved in, what the ticket agent was trying to portray, a terrorist trying to get on their plane.
    The police arrived quickly and we went back to the baggage area where my bag was lying open with the "assault barrel" lying on top. I informed the officer that the receiver was safely locked up in the gun case in a separate bag and as such the item of consternation was now just a metal tube and a chunk of wood. The officer agreed with me but said that the airline won't allow it to travel in the baggage and said "there must be some regulation that has changed and he doesn't know about". Fortunately I was able to get a hold of family nearby and the officer said he would wait for them to arrive and turn over the offending metal tube to them when they arrived stating that I had done everything right.
    I was allowed to board the plane and the rest of the trip progressed without incident; the barrel was recovered by my mom and the police again told her that everything I did was correct.
    Lesson learned yesterday: have the airline regulation handy when traveling, because like law enforcement officers, the people charged with enforcing the rules do not always know said rules.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the vote.
    Track the learning process http://blackriflebuild.blogspot.com/
  • #2
    NapalmCheese
    Calguns Addict
    • Feb 2011
    • 5952

    Or just lock it all in a conventional long arm case that you declare and carry on everything else so you can avoid the hassles?

    I hate flying and dealing with the TSA as much as anyone, but some fights are better left alone.
    Calguns.net, where everyone responding to your post is a Navy Force Delta Recon 6 Sniperator.

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    • #3
      003
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 3436

      Please delete
      Last edited by 003; 12-01-2013, 10:20 AM.

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      • #4
        negolien
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 4829

        Sigh ok so you don't know the law and messed up and you're blaming the TSA and Airlines employees....A lot of us fly with pistols and long guns without incident. How do we accomplish that? It's fairly easy...

        Call the carrier and find out what their guidelines are.

        Declare "ALL ITMS" as soon as you get to the check in.

        Make sure "ALL" firearms, Parts, Ammunition are locked in appropriate cases

        Be prepared to show all items to TSA.

        Simple no hassle...You got hassled because you were following "YOUR OWN RULES" You should have know in this day and age that the situation you went thru was a real possibility because of the way "YOU" were transporting firearm parts. If you would have declared the in your words non firearm you wouldn't have had any issues. Live and Learn.
        Last edited by negolien; 12-01-2013, 4:31 PM. Reason: spelling like a monkey with a keyboard lol.
        "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

        George Orwell

        http://www.AnySoldier.com

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        • #5
          MrElectric03
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 1590

          Was the bag with the barrel and stock a carry on or was it being stowed? Either way I don't see anything wrong with what they did. I'm sure they didn't need to get all dramatic about it but if it's being stowed there's no reason no to tell them. If it was in a carry on bag then I completely agree you shouldn't be able to carry it on. What you see as a metal tube and chunk of wood are still firearm parts. If my family were on the plane I wouldn't want you carrying that on especially when you could declare it and check the bag, there's no reason for it.

          I disagree with most of the same ridiculous laws for firearms as the rest of the fellas on here but this is one instance where I see people doing their jobs and keeping people safe.
          Originally posted by ar15barrels
          So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
          We must be on calguns...

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          • #6
            budprop
            Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 190

            TSA agents were very professional and I was pretty impressed with them. They didn't see anything wrong with what I had done, nor did the police officer.
            The bag was checked, there were no "firearms" in the bag. The Horizon ticket agent was the one that was out of line and interpreting their rules wrong. She kept yelling at me "any part of a firearm is not allowed", which technically is true for carry on baggage. I did check the TSA and Alaska Airlines page and it specifically states that a firearm is the weapon, or the frame or receiver. the barrel could not be readily converted to fire a projectile so it was not a firearm.
            Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the vote.
            Track the learning process http://blackriflebuild.blogspot.com/

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            • #7
              negolien
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 4829

              Wouldn't it have been easier to have that in checked baggage in the first place? I mean really why would you check everything else but decide it would be an awesome idea to put a Shotgun barrel in your carry on? For all they knew it was a pipe bomb. In the future it would probably be a good idea not to post a story like that here because you're not gonna garner much sympathy.
              "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

              George Orwell

              http://www.AnySoldier.com

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              • #8
                sl0re10
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2013
                • 7242

                Originally posted by budprop
                Forgive me if this is in the wrong place, but since it was a story about a shotgun I put it here.
                So there I was, and the situation was desperate indeed. I was traveling with two children under 10, had to get up at 4am and flying out of a tiny central Washington airport.
                I was traveling with a couple of C&R handguns in a locked case in my suitcase that I had declared with the airline in the proper manor, in addition to the handguns, I had a Winchester model 97 shotgun that i had disassembled. The receiver was locked in the handgun case, the barrel and stock were in my large suitcase. After going through security I had made a b-line to the bathroom. While I was washing my hands my son came in and said that they were calling for me at security.
                I went over and the ticket agent started yelling at me that I had an undeclared firearm in my bag and the cops were on their way. I informed her that there was indeed no firearm in my bag that wasn't locked up. I then turned to the TSA agent and told him calmly that I had a barrel in my suitcase and since it was not a firearm and was essentially a metal tube didn't fit the criteria for a firearm it was not prohibited. He shrugged his shoulders and said that this was an airline thing and the police will sort it out.
                My wife was at this point just shaking her head knowing that I was about to go to war, ushered the kids to the gate and tried to avoid the stares of the other passengers who were now involved in, what the ticket agent was trying to portray, a terrorist trying to get on their plane.
                The police arrived quickly and we went back to the baggage area where my bag was lying open with the "assault barrel" lying on top. I informed the officer that the receiver was safely locked up in the gun case in a separate bag and as such the item of consternation was now just a metal tube and a chunk of wood. The officer agreed with me but said that the airline won't allow it to travel in the baggage and said "there must be some regulation that has changed and he doesn't know about". Fortunately I was able to get a hold of family nearby and the officer said he would wait for them to arrive and turn over the offending metal tube to them when they arrived stating that I had done everything right.
                I was allowed to board the plane and the rest of the trip progressed without incident; the barrel was recovered by my mom and the police again told her that everything I did was correct.
                Lesson learned yesterday: have the airline regulation handy when traveling, because like law enforcement officers, the people charged with enforcing the rules do not always know said rules.
                I'm mostly with you. If they say no tubes and/or metal tubes thats one thing. A [probably unwritten] rule about no gun parts; hey... they're just looking for a reason to freak out. Eeeek; a trigger group!!! By itself!!!

                I'd double check if its policy and complain about the ticketing agent (whom I am assuming is an airline employee) if it is not in their rules... actually; violating their rules is a not a crime... so calling TSA and the police is already way out of line. re: Glad I picked you guys... you called the police on me for no reason! Wow; stellar work guys. I even was liberally yelled at for no rational reason. Woot.
                Last edited by sl0re10; 12-01-2013, 5:59 PM.

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                • #9
                  003
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 3436

                  "I'm mostly with you. If they say no tubes and/or metal tubes thats one thing. A [probably unwritten] rule about no gun parts; hey... they're just looking for a reason to freak out. Eeeek; a trigger group!!! By itself!!!"

                  While I agree that you have the right to your own opinion. You do not have the right to your own facts. The TSA regulations are very clear. No gun parts in carry on. A barrel is NOT just a metal tube, it is part of a gun. Perhpas you would do well to check out the TSA web site.

                  Learn how to properly prepare, pack and declare firearms and ammunition in checked baggage when flying. Review TSA rules, airline policies, and legal requirements.
                  Last edited by 003; 12-01-2013, 6:50 PM.

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                  • #10
                    budprop
                    Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 190

                    Please read the post. I did not carry on any gun parts. All parts were in checked baggage. I did check the websites TSA and Alaska Airlines and know very well that the only firearm part allowed in carry-on baggage is a scope.

                    I love when people get on high horses about reading directions when they cannot even read the post they are commenting on......
                    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the vote.
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                    • #11
                      CWDraco
                      Banned
                      • May 2007
                      • 3359

                      I do not agree with this logic, but they don't want passengers to carry firearm parts because a number of people can get together, each carrying one part to the gun and assemble it inside the plane. Agents then take this one step farther knowing you can gain access to your bags on the other side of security in connecting airports.

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                      • #12
                        ysr_racer
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 12014

                        Originally posted by jessegpresley
                        It's hard to read your post. There are no paragraph breaks.
                        That's what I was thinking

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                        • #13
                          BKinzey
                          OT Banned
                          CGN Contributor
                          • May 2009
                          • 4390

                          Originally posted by budprop
                          Please read the post. I did not carry on any gun parts. All parts were in checked baggage. I did check the websites TSA and Alaska Airlines and know very well that the only firearm part allowed in carry-on baggage is a scope.

                          I love when people get on high horses about reading directions when they cannot even read the post they are commenting on......
                          You didn't specifically state the barrel was in checked luggage. You are at least partially responsible for the confusion.
                          Rogue American, Media Mercenary.
                          "A firearm is just a tool. Any tool can be used as a weapon, but the most powerful weapons were written."

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                          • #14
                            mikenewgun87
                            In Memoriam
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 7732

                            Hmmmm learning lesson for everyone...

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                            • #15
                              gunhohulk
                              Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 293

                              Apparently Calgunners wouldn't score so well on the reading comprehension part of the SAT's...

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