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  • Decoligny
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2008
    • 10615

    Another Felony Maker "Tool" at Gun Show.

    Was at the Antelope Valley Gun show this weekend and noticed the same old "Bullet Button Magnet" tool being sold.

    I also noticed another vendor selling a spring clip type of "tool" that clips on from inside the trigger guard and goes over the bullet button.

    As the vendor was touting to a couple of customers how this was a "California Legal" way to get around the bullet button and not need to use a bullet to eject the magazine, I mentioned that it was a good way to get an assault weapon charge brought on you if not careful.

    He started to say "It's perfectly legal, DOJ is all over the gun show today."

    I told him that you might be able to get away with using the "clip-on" device if you quickly clipped it on, removed the magazine, and then immediately removed the "clip-on" device before inserting another magazine, but it was most likely in the nearly black part of the grey area, and would probably land someone prison.

    He said "Of course that's how you have to use it!"

    I asked him if he was letting any of his customers know the legal limitations of using his device in California.

    He responded "It's up to each gun owner to know the laws and obey them. I can't keep anyone for doing something illegal with it."

    I then asked him "So, if your device is designed to eliminate the need for using a bullet, how does your tool make it any faster or less work to remove the magazine than using a bullet if you have to clip it on to eject the magazine, and then unclip it after ejecting the magazine but before inserting another magazine?"

    He couldn't answer that question.

    This device is perfect for someone who is driving to Arizona for a day of shooting, so they can bypass the bullet button. It is not a device that has any usefullness inside the state of California.

    I hopefully drove away a few people who might have been considering this for use in California.
    Last edited by Decoligny; 11-25-2013, 8:45 AM.
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  • #2
    theshoer
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 645

    Get over it

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    • #3
      Oliver_Charles
      Banned
      • Jan 2013
      • 1196

      ^LOL

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      • #4
        NytWolf
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 3935

        MYOB

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        • #5
          Gun_Smoke
          Member
          • Aug 2013
          • 225

          Who makes it?

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          • #6
            edgerly779
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Aug 2009
            • 19871

            If they were smart they would demonstrate on an 80% paperweight like they did at the ventura gun show.
            Last edited by edgerly779; 11-25-2013, 9:29 AM.

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            • #7
              Superduper2013
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 753

              Originally posted by Gun_Smoke
              Who makes it?
              MRAT. They are a freaking joke. I do not even think this would be legal if you use it and remove it after use because you have to "attach" it to the lower then press it. Its not like the magnet which just fits in and out, but it has the extra step of "attaching" it to the lower first.

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              • #8
                Braddah Jay
                Member
                • May 2012
                • 395

                Just another useless tool that will get lost just like the magnet.

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                • #9
                  Baboosh
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 6769

                  Originally posted by theshoer
                  Get over it
                  Originally posted by NytWolf
                  MYOB
                  So you two are ok with someone giving out bad information to someone who then may get a felony and lose their gun rights?

                  If you walk past a woman being raped would you just MYOB also?

                  More people need a voice. We don't need more sheep.
                  Just a normal guy

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                  • #10
                    bellringer
                    Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 292

                    What about this. I ordered a new BB for my new lower. It came with a red "installation" tool that can be thread onto the mag release. That is obviously not legal to keep threaded onto the BB correct?

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                    • #11
                      NytWolf
                      Veteran Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 3935

                      Originally posted by Baboosh
                      So you two are ok with someone giving out bad information to someone who then may get a felony and lose their gun rights?

                      If you walk past a woman being raped would you just MYOB also?

                      More people need a voice. We don't need more sheep.
                      Two different scenarios. If a woman is being raped, she didn't have a choice about the rape, did she? If someone wanted to buy the bullet magnet, it is their own decision to buy it. If that person needs to be convinced that it is "legal" before they buy it, that's another issue.

                      Back to your example, would you go trying to convince the rapist not to rape the woman? That would be equivalent to sticking your nose into the vendor's selling.

                      The sheep are those willing to go along with the government that the ability to change magazines quickly makes it deadly. To me, convincing a vendor that something he is selling is illegal is the action of a sheep, not the other way around. Just think about it.

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                      • #12
                        MMXX
                        Member
                        • May 2013
                        • 349

                        I told him that you might be able to get away with using the "clip-on" device if you quickly clipped it on, removed the magazine, and then immediately removed the "clip-on" device before inserting another magazine
                        I was under the assumption that if the tool was ever on your rifle without you physically holding it on, that was illegal. Same with a bullet attached to a lanyard attached to the rifle.

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                        • #13
                          -hanko
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 14174

                          Originally posted by Baboosh
                          So you two are ok with someone giving out bad information to someone who then may get a felony and lose their gun rights?

                          If you walk past a woman being raped would you just MYOB also?

                          More people need a voice. We don't need more sheep.
                          Typical liberal nanny-state attitude.

                          Woman being raped is a ridiculous analogy...re-read NytWolf's post above.

                          More people need to research and figure it out for themselves. If they continue to be sheepish, their issue.

                          -hanko
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                          • #14
                            WyattandDoc
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 767

                            Originally posted by bellringer
                            What about this. I ordered a new BB for my new lower. It came with a red "installation" tool that can be thread onto the mag release. That is obviously not legal to keep threaded onto the BB correct?
                            Totally illegal if you keep it on. I have the same one. Great for Arizona shooting so you dont have to alter/take off/put on anything.
                            Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.

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                            • #15
                              bellringer
                              Member
                              • Oct 2013
                              • 292

                              I figured. thank you

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