Woman with a Fake Handgun gets Shot by Long Beach Police (Graphic)

[riddler408]

And how would you handle that in your bedroom at midnight if she showed up in your place with the kids in their beds? You'd shoot her dead as a doorknob

Police have a right to protect themselves. Obviously she was nuts.

I would say your comparison is way off base.
But you are 100% right none the less. The lady had to have been delusional if she didn't think there was a high probability of her being shot. I mean who walks around waving a gun in the air while police have weapons aimed at you.

[razr]

We have allowed the police to turn themselves into a paramilitary organization.

[SVT-40]

We have allowed the police to turn themselves into a paramilitary organization.

Thats just about the nuttiest comment in this thread.....

Please expand your thoughts, as they really make no sense.....

[CWDraco]

I have the perfect solution to this issue....

Just never point any firearm at any LEO........

Problem solved...

Or more to the point, If you do point a firearm, or what looks like a firearm at a LEO don't be shocked if they shoot you.

I mean seriously ever since LEO's have been around every person with the least bit of common sense knows this.

The problem now days is many want to transfer the liability and blame for what happens, to the LEO's instead of where it truly belongs.

Which is the person with the firearm.

As a "society" we have given a pass to those who are truly responsible for these situations, because many believe that no matter how a person acts, and no matter how reckless their actions are, THEY are not responsible for the eventual outcome. WHICH THEY CAUSED!!!!!!

That is the pitiful state of our society!!!!

I will agree with you when you tell me the time code in the video where she pointed her gun at an Officer. She is holding the gun at her side and is walking, she steps off the curb NO ONE IS GIVING HER ANY ORDERS TO STOP, turns slightly which by chance moves the muzzle toward the direction of officers. She never pointed a gun at anyone.

She is crazy. She is armed, she is dangerous I agree. Waiting until you have a reason to shoot her is NOT a valid response to a crazy person with a gun.

All you can give me is lame excuses. The same ones I hear my 10 year old tell me why she got a "C" in math. I'm not in the class, The teacher is mean, there is nothing else she could have done... BULLPOOP!

Police have been given the non-lethal tools to use in this situation where a crazy idiot is goating them into killing them. If those tools don't work, fine have at it, blast the crazy idiot until you run out of ammo, then order more ammo and do it again.

[razr]

SVT-40
Our notions of risk are not absolute; they're based more on how far they are from whatever we think of as "normal."

[9mmepiphany]

Police have been given the non-lethal tools to use in this situation where a crazy idiot is goating them into killing them.

Ah, I think I've figured out your mis-perception of the situation.

Non-lethal, more correctly referred to as Less Than Lethal (LTL) tools, were never intended for these situations.

LTL tools were design as a partial step up from lessor tools, to prevent having to go directly to using Deadly force. To wit, a step up from 1) Hands On, 2) Mace/OC, 3) Tasers when faced with a person who is not armed with a Deadly weapon.

LTL tools are meant to be a step up from what you might otherwise use, not a step down

[SVT-40]

We have allowed the police to turn themselves into a paramilitary organization.

SVT-40
Our notions of risk are not absolute; they're based more on how far they are from whatever we think of as "normal."

So what do those abstract thoughts have to do with the police turning into a "paramilitary organization"?

And how is that related to this topic?

[razr]

So what do those abstract thoughts have to do with the police turning into a "paramilitary organization"?

And how is that related to this topic?

My general point is that we tend to fixate on a particular risk and then do everything we can to mitigate it. You got to do the work. I am not going to spell it out for you. Its Friday night and I have had a long day.

[9mmepiphany]

That's like saying the answer is "42"

[TRICKSTER]

My general point is that we tend to fixate on a particular risk and then do everything we can to mitigate it. You got do the work. I am not going to spell it out for you. Its Friday night and I have had a long day.

When you have nothing, bloviate.

[razr]

That's like saying the answer is "42"

Now he knows.

[SVT-40]

I will agree with you when you tell me the time code in the video where she pointed her gun at an Officer. She is holding the gun at her side and is walking, she steps off the curb NO ONE IS GIVING HER ANY ORDERS TO STOP, turns slightly which by chance moves the muzzle toward the direction of officers. She never pointed a gun at anyone.

She is crazy. She is armed, she is dangerous I agree. Waiting until you have a reason to shoot her is NOT a valid response to a crazy person with a gun.

All you can give me is lame excuses. The same ones I hear my 10 year old tell me why she got a "C" in math. I'm not in the class, The teacher is mean, there is nothing else she could have done... BULLPOOP!

Police have been given the non-lethal tools to use in this situation where a crazy idiot is goating them into killing them. If those tools don't work, fine have at it, blast the crazy idiot until you run out of ammo, then order more ammo and do it again.

I think the only thing "lame" here is some believing they know more than the officers who were actually at the scene of this incident.

Especially when their opinions are based solely on a brief 45 second video.....

As for time code... Try the 35 second mark... The pistol is pointed directly at the camera man shooting the video. That action alone is enough for the officers to use deadly force to protect the camera man and anyone near him.

At 36 second mark the suspect is swinging the pistol toward the officers, while advancing toward the officers....Her actions at that point put the officers in danger, and would justify a deadly response....

You even admit, "She is crazy. She is armed, she is dangerous I agree

So that alone is enough to use deadly force to stop her......

About commands.....

When it's time to shoot...SHOOT, don't talk!!!!

[grabalnog]

first ones to cry "Freedom"...first ones to cry for help when the thug is at their door. Naked agenda against LEO is so obvious, doesn't really take much to disregard absurd idea that this means anything more than mentally ill people are a challenge to deal with, and violence is sometimes unavoidable. Yeah.....a team of psych-ward nurses would have been nice to have there and a mobile evaluation unit and and and. Get real. Or get gone.

Police is supposed to be a job that assumes high level of risk for the safety of each and every citizen, even disturbed ones.

Trying to "talk her down" was not at all an honest or reasonable attempt to resolve the situation. Using an obviously ineffective means is a common and highly transparent method of getting to use excessive force. People higer the ladder aren't fooled by this tactic.

Have this thread to yourselves. It's utterly disappointing comments like the ones found in this thread that have caused me to give up on gun owners, gun rights and gun elections.

[SVT-40]

We have allowed the police to turn themselves into a paramilitary organization.

SVT-40 Our notions of risk are not absolute; they're based more on how far they are from whatever we think of as "normal."

So what do those abstract thoughts have to do with the police turning into a "paramilitary organization"?

And how is that related to this topic?

My general point is that we tend to fixate on a particular risk and then do everything we can to mitigate it. You got to do the work. I am not going to spell it out for you. Its Friday night and I have had a long day.

Now he knows.

I think you've had more than a "long day".

[bigger hammer]

I have a question for you law enforcement officers that support the actions of shooting that lady. The citizens provide you with all the training that you request. You have lots of resources available such as a canines, and other non-deadly resources. If those officers were dealing with that lady for an hour, why not send in a canine, why not try taking her out with a non-deadly weapon by one officer, after all she was covered by multiple other officers with deadly weapons.

A K−9 is rarely the correct option when dealing with a suspect who is known to be armed, unless his location is unknown.