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[r31ncarnat3d]

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[jfifer]

Get rid of your brother.

[kygen]

giving a rifle to the UPS guy.......I don't even know what to say to that

[Off the Roster]

Call the PD, call UPS, and yeah your brother should have no access to your firearms. the way this posts reads is: my brother gave my rifle to a UPS driver who has no authority over grievances nor any paperwork to support his claim. so ups driver now has your rifle to use however he sees fit (or unfit as the as may be).

i would actually call this rifle "stolen" if it were not for the fact your brother willingly handed it over. idk if this is a felony, but it smells like one and you may have to ditch your brother in order to be able to keep your guns.

[r31ncarnat3d]

Like I said, lacks street smarts and not something I would ever do. That said, I can't go back in time and change what happened so any advice on where to go from here (short of taking away access from my weapons - that's happening) will be appreciated.

Call the PD, call UPS, and yeah your brother should have no access to your firearms. the way this posts reads is: my brother gave my rifle to a UPS driver who has no authority over grievances nor any paperwork to support his claim. so ups driver now has your rifle to use however he sees fit (or unfit as the as may be).

i would actually call this rifle "stolen" if it were not for the fact your brother willingly handed it over.

It was originally so in a HD situation where I wasn't home, he could do something about it. I never worried about personal safety since I trained him myself and know he's a safe user. Never thought about it from a common sense perspective though. I know, really stupid decision on my part to allow access and never happening again with anyone. I also had the same thought that it would be a stolen weapon if it weren't for the fact my brother voluntarily handed it over =/

[SWalt]

Order a stock and a scope......brother gives him the whole rifle? Where are the items that were damaged? You said you bought them else where to replace the damaged ones. UPS guy is incharge of getting items back or they will file charges? All sounds too fishy to me.

[r31ncarnat3d]

Order a stock and a scope......brother gives him the whole rifle? Where are the items that were damaged? You said you bought them else where to replace the damaged ones. UPS guy is incharge of getting items back or they will file charges? All sounds too fishy to me.

Original ones I tossed because they were damaged and unusable (and in the case of the stock, dangerous to use). I sold off the second pair I bought and was planning on selling my R700 to another CL when I got back.

Right now I'm also wondering if the boss was planning on filing charges against me directly, though his company, or was communicating that the merchant wanted to. In any case, it's a really stupid situation I never thought I'd be in.

[battleship]

This is a joke right.
To the UPS guy are you Effin kidding me. Get the F out of my face before i call the cops.

[as_rocketman]

Yeah, this sounds... interesting.

Just curious, do you have any evidence that this happened, or is it all your brother's say-so?

[r31ncarnat3d]

This is a joke right.
To the UPS guy are you Effin kidding me. Get the F out of my face before i call the cops.

I wish. It's 2AM where I am right now and I can't sleep because of this. The fact that I have a weapon outside my control in the hands of someone I don't know is worrying me immensely.

Yeah, this sounds... interesting.

Just curious, do you have any evidence that this happened, or is it all your brother's say-so?

No evidence but it sounds true to me. My brother is not malicious, but he is seriously naive and lacks street smarts. As for personal gain, I don't know what he'd do with it. He can't sell it as it's under my name, I doubt he'd even know where to begin looking to sell it illegally, and we live together so it's not like he can hide a rifle from me.

[jeffyhog]

So you're saying your regular UPS driver took the rifle after your brother gave it to him? This makes no sense and hard to believe. The boss is not going to file charges.

Did the driver have a Damage Call Tag? If that was the case, he would have asked for the damaged items, boxed and taped, to take in for inspection. But not the entire rifle. That makes no sense. If he took the whole rifle, you need to call UPS right away.

[2nd Mass]

Sounds like either theft or an illegal transfer on the part of UPS. That's just insane. Might want to call a firearms attorney quick. Either way UPS sounds liable for possessing an unregistered firearm. Hopefully someone here knows exactly what you can do to get it back before they do something stupid with it. Have you contacted UPS yet? UPS is in a very liable position right now.

[Off the Roster]

OP do you have a friend that can go get your keys from your brother until you get home?

[r31ncarnat3d]

Sounds like either theft or an illegal transfer on the part of UPS. That's just insane. Might want to call a firearms attorney quick. Either way UPS sounds liable for possessing an unregistered firearm. Hopefully someone here knows exactly what you can do to get it back before they do something stupid with it. Have you contacted UPS yet?

Haven't been able to. I called as soon as I heard (~7PM PST) and wasn't able to get through to the local UPS department. Planning on calling the PD first tomorrow to have a legal paper trail before calling UPS.

And thanks for the "illegal transfer". I didn't know that was a thing but it's the term I was looking for to describe the situation. I already have a lawyer in CA as well and contacted with everything and she will be helping me with this. However she's not knowledgeable with guns and this situation sounds very outside of normal so I wanted to get CL's perspective as well.

OP do you have a friend that can go get your keys from your brother until you get home?

Oh, sorry forgot to add that it's already taken care of. Friend of mine now has my keys.

[as_rocketman]

No evidence but it sounds true to me.

Uh huh. Well, the only advice I can give is to establish what actually happened as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

You said it was "The Regular UPS Guy." Get a name, a precise time, truck number if possible. Work from there and write down absolutely everything, no matter how speculative or half-remembered. Good luck.