preaching the second amendment. ..what happened to the first?

[munnman84]

So im new on here... appreciate the wealth of knowledge this site provides... I made the mistake of visiting the marketplace and saw a few people asking for ridiculous prices... I made the unfortunate mistake of posting that it was too much and i listed the local retail price which is fact and suggesting they might lower it... then I get warned by moderator that im going to be banned if I continue this type of posts?? So focused on the second, did we forget about the first amendment? I wasnt talking crap personally to anybody just stating facts... and im a bad guy? I might have to rethink being associated with such a close mindedness. Its one thing to make personal attacks towards someone, but another to just list the facts. Im sure some how I have earned another warning just from this post...

[Just Dave]

The rules are no thread crapping in the marketplace, if you see something that you feel is to expensive pass on it.

[Creampuff]

If I walked into your house as a guest, and started swearing up a storm in front of your children, and you told me to get out, would you be violating my first amendment rights?

Unlike what our public school education has misinformed us with, the 1st amendment is not a broad brush that applies to private property. Calguns is a privately owned site; it is their rules.

[Artema]

First amendment. At what point were you prevented by the government to speak against them? Grow up. You broke forum rules and did not get banned. You were warned to follow the rules, and you're still here and can have a good time.

[Creampuff]

First amendment. At what point were you prevented by the government to speak against them? Grow up. You broke forum rules and did not get banned. You were warned to follow the rules, and you're still here and can have a good time.

[Ed_Hazard]

No one says you cant spout off and say whatever you want, you just can say it here.

Seriously, how hard is it to understand that this is a privately owned Forum and in such is subject to the whims of the owner. You are clearly advised of the forum rules when you join and by joining agree to abide by such. This includes putting limits on what you can and cannot post.

[munnman84]

My grievance is that they dont allow the first ammendment here... they are all about the second and knowing your rights, but they do not practice them. I never suggested that i have right to the first amendment here, so your counter argument suggesting that this is a private entity is obvious, and invalid. Telling me to grow up is offensive and a personal attack. In my opinion comments like those should receive warnings not a posting of facts. Sometimes facts are contrary to popular opinion. I in no way prevented the sale of the overpriced firearm in question. As far as the cursing in my home speech... there really is no correlation. I didnt tell the seller to grow up, or that he was insane for asking that much. Or that the idiot who thought the firearm was off roster when it clearly is not is some how incompetent... I said nothing like that. I merely stated a fact, and suggested him to lower this price. Honestly, I dont understand how stating a fact is "thread crapping". If it is, then by its very action anyone who posted on this thread against me is committing thread crapping themself... its counter-productive logic. Constructive critisism, is paramount to a meaningful exchange of words and ideas. Im sorry that you don't understand this, and blindly follow any rule given to you.

[Kyle1886]

Personally, like any other market place, or business, if I don't like the price of a product---I simply don't buy it. It's the sellers prerogative to set a price they want---after all, it is their product. You can either buy, or move on.

Respectfully
Kyle

[Paper Boy]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its been to long

[Creampuff]

My grievance is that they dont allow the first ammendment here... the are all about the second and knowing your rights, but they do not practice them. Telling me to grow up is offensive and a personal attack. In my opinion comments like those should receive warnings not a posting of facts. Sometimes facts are contrary to popular opinion. I in no way prevented the sale of the overpriced firearm in question. As far as the cursing in my home speach... there really correlation. I didnt tell the seller to grow up, or that he was insane for asking that much. Or that the idiot who thought the firearm was off roster when it clearly is not.... I said nothing like that. I merely stated a fact, and suggested him to lower this price.

again...the 1st amendment is not based on fact vs opinion.

The website owner's social security number is a fact. Guess what will happen to me if I post factual information if I posted that fact.

Re-read the 1st amendment. It does not say, "one can state whatever they want as long as it is fact"

If I went to work and showed up, and used my cell phone all day, would I get fired? Yep. Why? Because their house, their rules. Same thing here..their house their rules. Easy concept.

[Brice]

this is not a public place. If the owners/mods don't like what you are doing/saying/acting they can ban you. get over it. If you think something is priced too high a PM to the op is a better way of handling it than ****ting on his thread.

[Artema]

Again, you don't even understand the first amendment. Second point, this, as I was suspecting at first, you're trolling.

[Ed_Hazard]

My grievance is that they dont allow the first ammendment here... they are all about the second and knowing your rights, but they do not practice them. I never suggested that i have right to the first amendment here, so your counter argument suggesting that this is a private entity is obvious, and invalid. Telling me to grow up is offensive and a personal attack. In my opinion comments like those should receive warnings not a posting of facts. Sometimes facts are contrary to popular opinion. I in no way prevented the sale of the overpriced firearm in question. As far as the cursing in my home speech... there really is no correlation. I didnt tell the seller to grow up, or that he was insane for asking that much. Or that the idiot who thought the firearm was off roster when it clearly is not.... I said nothing like that. I merely stated a fact, and suggested him to lower this price.

So which one is it?

If it is obvious why are you having such a hard time comprehending?



And yes, you are correct, personal attacks are not allowed and the Mod's will address it.

[TomV]

From the "Stickies" in the Sales Forum...."Read This Or Risk Getting Banned".

Oh....and duck for low flying ban hammers.

[camcojb]

So im new on here... appreciate the wealth of knowledge this site provides... I made the mistake of visiting the marketplace and saw a few people asking for ridiculous prices... I made the unfortunate mistake of posting that it was too much and i listed the local retail price which is fact and suggesting they might lower it... then I get warned by moderator that im going to be banned if I continue this type of posts?? So focused on the second, did we forget about the first amendment? I wasnt talking crap personally to anybody just stating facts... and im a bad guy? I might have to rethink being associated with such a close mindedness. Its one thing to make personal attacks towards someone, but another to just list the facts. Im sure some how I have earned another warning just from this post...

Since I own a web forum I'll throw in my two cents. They have a rule about thread crapping, and they have it for a reason. I cannot say why they came up with the rule, but on my forum we have a similar rule in the classifieds.

For us, the reason was simple. If you allow people to post about the price of the item being too high, or the product sucks, etc. you end up with a back and forth fight in your sales threads. You'll then turn it into a back and forth mess with people jumping in on both sides. The purpose of the classifieds is to sell items, not to debate their value or quality.

As others have said above, if you don't like the price move on. I understand what you're saying in that there are a lot of for sale threads for used guns at prices above new. But the owners of this board have the right to make their own rules, it's their house. I personally agree with them, it makes sense to avoid issues in advance whenever possible. Classifieds have one purpose, to sell an item(s). They are not set up for debate; if a price is too high that will sort itself out on it's own.