ppt on bedridden person

[turkeyenchilado]

Hi fellow cal guns i have a question i have patient that is bedreden and has gun that he has no no use for and wants to sale ,would he had to get the papper notorized since he can not go in person for the ptt .any answer would be helpfull thnks

[0351USMC]

long gun or Pistol?

[turkeyenchilado]

pistol s&w 357 revolver

[halifax]

Use this Power of Attorney

[Ed_Hazard]

their ya go.

[turkeyenchilado]

Thanx halifax this would be vary help full for him thxs have a good day

[JDay]

There is no requirement in the law that says the seller has to be the owner.

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[turkeyenchilado]

Thxs for the info

[The Gleam]

Interesting.

What if the BUYER was a bed-ridden person, other than say use of arms/hands, and because of their being incapacitated and unable to defend themselves against an intruder in their home or attacker, they wanted to buy a firearm by way of PPT?

Can power of attorney still apply? Even with that, how would the fingerprint/ID, HSC/handgun handling safety test and demonstration on that gun requirements be handled, as all are handled by the dealer?

Seems to be an interesting civil-rights case yet tested.

[alfred1222]

Interesting.

What if the BUYER was a bed-ridden person, other than say use of arms/hands, and because of their being incapacitated and unable to defend themselves against an intruder in their home or attacker, they wanted to buy a firearm by way of PPT?

Can power of attorney still apply? Even with that, how would the fingerprint/ID, HSC/handgun handling safety test and demonstration on that gun requirements be handled, as all are handled by the dealer?

Seems to be an interesting civil-rights case yet tested.

Its simple, the BUYER fills out a con sheet (its an older version of the DROS, has all necessary info questions), as well as a 4473, and has someone deliver it to an FFL who is willing to do the transaction. The Seller and the FFL meet at the storefront, and with the info, the FFL runs the DROS and takes sellers fingerprint. Then FFL waits 10 days, takes gun, goes to BUYER's house, gets his thumbprint and signature, then delivers gun. Simple.

[The Gleam]

Its simple, / Then FFL waits 10 days, takes gun, goes to BUYER's house, gets his thumbprint and signature, then delivers gun. Simple.

Not simple. I suppose I should have qualified my inquiry in BETTER stating that the FFL would NOT be willing to go to the buyer's house and/or deliver the gun. That is a mere work-around on the generous acts of an individual FFL, and an exception, not what is a rule or required in CA. No FFL is required to do this, to visit a buyer's home to complete a PPT, nor obligated to do so under CA law.

My point being, the FFL would only be doing this out of a charitable act, not as a normal part of their duty or business; would they come to YOUR house, an able-bodied person, to do this for you? No. Highly unlikely. You would be pounding sand.

So under the premise that all things equal, an FFL does not have the ability to come to your house, deliver the gun, perform his assertions at the buyer's house, nor is he obligated by law to do so other than perform these fucntions at his place of business, and since we are not allowed "kitchen-table" FFL gun dealers in most all of CA now....

Back to square one.

[readysetgo]

...HSC/handgun handling safety test and demonstration on that gun requirements be handled...

There is an exemption to the safe handling for similar situations.

From DOJ FAQ:

What are the exemptions to the safe handling demonstration requirement?
The exemptions to the safe handling demonstration include all the exemptions from the Handgun Safety Certificate requirement.

The HSC program also provides for an exemption when physical disability deprives an individual the necessary agility to execute the demonstration. A signed, written letter from a licensed physician attesting that a physical disability precludes an individual from being able to perform the safe handling demonstration is required for this exemption. This exemption applies to the safe handling demonstration only. There is no exemption from the Handgun Safety Certificate requirement based on physical disability.

[SSR]

My understanding is that all parts of a transaction are required to be completed on the business premises of the FFL? (Gun shows allow for the filling out of the paper DROS but have to start, end, and release from waiting period at storefront?)

Thus, no legal bed ridden party could transfer or inherit a gun if DOF/ATF were watching?

Isn't the Power of Attorney form only to be completed for prohibited persons as stated on page two of the form? So bed ridden persons have no legal way to transfer a firearm other than Op-Law/Intra-Familial form correct?

[SVT-40]

Sorry but a FFL cannot "deliver" a firearm to a buyer.. The 4473 must be completed at the FFL's licensed location...

Additionally it would not be lawful for someone to deliver a completed 4473 to a dealer.. The 4473 must be filled out and signed in the dealers presence.

[halifax]

I wonder when the first disabled person will sue a dealer or ATF for not making "reasonable" accommodations under the ADA. I don't think I'd really blame them either.