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  • M1XdColt
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 806

    Will I be fine without transfer

    I have to ask this, my uncle has gave me his old time m1 carbine that he has bought from a local gun show about closed to 20yrs now. The question is do we both have to do a transfer or a we good without one. The reason I ask is most old rifle guns you don't have to because of the C&R " RIGHT"... Because I remember going to local gun show and I have saw this Guy with his m1 carbine an ask him some question but anyways he say look if you buy the carbine you can take it home and don't have to do any transferring.( IS THIS TRUE) because of the C&R? By meaning to this is I just don't want to be in trouble when I taking it out hunting.

    Hope everyone that read this understand what I'm trying to ask... thanks
  • #2
    Chaos47
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2010
    • 6615

    In CA its not as simple as C&R = Good to go.

    Are you both residents of CA?
    Is it a long gun? (yes)
    Is it 50 years or older? (probably)
    Are you 18 years old or older?
    Are you not a prohibited person?

    As long as all the answers are yes then its good to go. No FFL needed.


    And before someone says its an Intrafamily transfer. No, it does not count as its not direct up and down relation (Father -> Son) but a diagonal relation. Uncle does not count.
    Last edited by Chaos47; 09-23-2013, 2:57 AM.

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    • #3
      M1XdColt
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2013
      • 806

      Originally posted by Chaos47
      In CA its not as simple as C&R = Good to go.

      Are you both residents of CA?
      Is it a long gun? (yes)
      Is it 50 years or older? (probably)
      Are you over 18 years of age?
      Are you not a prohibited person?

      As long as all the answers are yes then its good to go. No FFL needed.


      And before someone says its an Intrafamily transfer. No, it does not count as its not direct up and down relation (Father -> Son) but a diagonal relation. Uncle does not count.
      http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...nd.2Fwife_only
      Yes we both been living in CA for all our life
      yes its a long gun
      yes gun was made during World War 2 194x
      yes over18
      Yes I'm not a prohibited person
      These 5 answer is all yes no questions ask
      Note I'm not answering these question from him to get approved. If I was to be ask on these question from laws I would so Yes to all...

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      • #4
        edgerly779
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Aug 2009
        • 19871

        Ask this question again on the 14th of october. Lots of us are waiting for the axe to fall and writing letters and sending emails.

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        • #5
          SanPedroShooter
          Calguns Addict
          • Jan 2010
          • 9732

          Originally posted by M1XdColt
          Yes we both been living in CA for all our life
          yes its a long gun
          yes gun was made during World War 2 194x
          yes over18
          Yes I'm not a prohibited person
          These 5 answer is all yes no questions ask
          Note I'm not answering these question from him to get approved. If I was to be ask on these question from laws I would so Yes to all...
          Yes, long guns of 50 year vintage or older can be transferred between private parties until Jan 1 2014.

          Get it done while you can.

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          • #6
            Chaos47
            Calguns Addict
            • Apr 2010
            • 6615

            Originally posted by M1XdColt
            Yes we both been living in CA for all our life
            yes its a long gun
            yes gun was made during World War 2 194x
            yes over18
            Yes I'm not a prohibited person
            These 5 answer is all yes no questions ask
            Note I'm not answering these question from him to get approved. If I was to be ask on these question from laws I would so Yes to all...
            Not sure what you mean by the last part.
            These questions are just a distilling down of the laws to make sure the transfer without an FFL is legal.

            If all answers are yes you can FTF hand it off with no paperwork.
            As SanPedroShooter said you have till Jan 1st 2014 to do this as that is when the 50 year and older longgun exemption from using an FFL goes away.

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            • #7
              SVT-40
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2008
              • 12894

              As long as the M-1 carbine was a US military carbine you are fine. If it's a commercial copy you need to go through a FFL. Many cannot tell the difference... So be sure it's military.....
              Poke'm with a stick!


              Originally posted by fiddletown
              What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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              • #8
                M1XdColt
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2013
                • 806

                Yes this rifle is an USGI NOT A commercial version... so more likely I have to transfer then not transferring even if it a 50yrs old?

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                • #9
                  durandal
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 1483

                  "RIGHT".. ?

                  Whats the inference there? That we shouldnt have a right to inherit family heirlooms through non dealer transfers?
                  ---
                  WTB: old cz75 with round trigger guard & spur hammer, sf bay

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                  • #10
                    Ed_Hazard
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5146

                    Originally posted by M1XdColt
                    Yes this rifle is an USGI NOT A commercial version... so more likely I have to transfer then not transferring even if it a 50yrs old?
                    Who's the maker and approximate serial number range, does not have to be exact, +/- 30 numbers if you like, to get a ballpark for date of manufacture.
                    Originally Posted by Sic Boy
                    And I bet Jobs surfs porn. If he doesn't, I'll eat a live baby on stage at the next Apple event.
                    Originally posted by AJAX22
                    Don't F with those guys... they can probably use their teabag to inflict blunt force trauma.


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                    • #11
                      SVT-40
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 12894

                      All GI carbines were made in the 1940's so all are over 50 years old...
                      Poke'm with a stick!


                      Originally posted by fiddletown
                      What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                      • #12
                        Librarian
                        Admin and Poltergeist
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 44652

                        Originally posted by M1XdColt
                        Yes this rifle is an USGI NOT A commercial version... so more likely I have to transfer then not transferring even if it a 50yrs old?
                        Uh, what?

                        The rule is {a}50 year old (and older) {b}long guns do not need an FFL when transferred between 2 {c}CA residents, {d}before Jan 1, 2014.

                        Point by point -
                        {d}It is before 2014.

                        {c}You say both of you live in CA.

                        {b}It is a long gun.

                        {a}It is over 50 years old.
                        Satisfies all 4 conditions - no FFL required.
                        ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                        Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                        • #13
                          Sunday
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 5574

                          Now that the post on forever on the internet .I wouldn't.
                          California's politicians and unionized government employees are a crime gang that makes the Mexican drug cartels look like a Girl Scout Troop in comparison.

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                          • #14
                            M1XdColt
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2013
                            • 806

                            So I'm good then.... before 2014 but just have to ask how would they know if it was before 2014 or after once it pass?

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                            • #15
                              rjf
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 649

                              They won't

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