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  • CHS
    Moderator Emeritus
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jan 2008
    • 11338

    Looking for an OLL-related PDF

    I THOUGHT I saw this PDF linked to from somewhere on the calguns forum once. It was quite a while back though.

    Basically, it was a single page that said something to the effect of "STOP! Law Enforcement, this is NOT an assault weapon", and then briefly stated why it was not an AW, and had something to the effect of "do not try to remove the magazine, it is permanently affixed and you may ruin the gun or be responsible for creating a felony situation for yourself."

    These are about all the details I remember, and even they are fuzzy.

    Basically, I wanted to print up a couple of these in small form, laminate them, and keep them with my OLL's at the range
    Please read the Calguns Wiki
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
    --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"
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    ke6guj
    Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Nov 2003
    • 23725

    maybe this? http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
    Jack



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    • #3
      Heatseeker
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2007
      • 1886

      I have a copy of the PDF you're looking for. I emailed it to you.
      Last edited by Heatseeker; 06-20-2008, 4:31 PM. Reason: email sent
      If it ain't broke, keep fixin' it 'til it is...

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      • #4
        heycorey
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2007
        • 825

        ...

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        • #5
          CHS
          Moderator Emeritus
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Jan 2008
          • 11338

          Thanks everyone. It was NOT the flowchart.

          Heatseeker did in fact mail me the exact one(s) I was thinking about.

          I'm not sure who the original author is (Heatseeker?) but it might help to have them linked for download somewhere.

          Either way, thanks!

          (The flowchart is certainly nice, and it's going into my folder of saved OLL-related PDF's, but I prefer the simple "warning" notice of these ones)
          Please read the Calguns Wiki
          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
          --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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          • #6
            Hunter
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Mar 2006
            • 1759

            heycorey,
            Very nice..

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            • #7
              heycorey
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2007
              • 825

              Forgive me bdsmchs ..., I was just being a little silly.

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              • #8
                bigmike82
                Bit Pusher
                CGN Contributor
                • Jan 2008
                • 3876

                I thought that notice was pretty obnoxious. I prefer the flow chart and a copy of all the relevant laws. No need to treat the cop like an idiot.
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                • #9
                  CHS
                  Moderator Emeritus
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 11338

                  Originally posted by heycorey
                  Forgive me bdsmchs ..., I was just being a little silly.
                  No worries!! I got a good laugh out of it too

                  I have to commend your going well above and beyond simply clicking the "reply" button. I mean, you actually grabbed a screen shot and had to open up an image editor. Nice loopdyloop too!
                  Please read the Calguns Wiki
                  Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                  --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                  • #10
                    CHS
                    Moderator Emeritus
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 11338

                    Originally posted by bigmike82
                    I thought that notice was pretty obnoxious. I prefer the flow chart and a copy of all the relevant laws. No need to treat the cop like an idiot.
                    I certainly see and respect your point. But... Speaking for myself only, the notice looks like every other manual page in a modern firearms manual/safety guidebook. That's why I like this style notice.

                    I can sort of see it being taken in a negative light, but I feel that there should be strong wording (like a safety manual) so as to remove all doubt that the firearm in question is actually a legal configuration.


                    P.S. I hate the fact that I have to be an activist to enjoy most of my hobbies. Not just shooting. The fact that we're even having this conversation means that the system is screwed up. Even as a shutterbug, I keep a copy of my photographers rights with me at all times.
                    Please read the Calguns Wiki
                    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                    --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                    • #11
                      Darklyte27
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2008
                      • 9372

                      Can you pm me so you can email me that PDF? or post a link to it?

                      thanks
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                      • #12
                        Heatseeker
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 1886

                        I did not author those memos.

                        I found them through this site, maybe on hoffmang's site? I really don't remember, but I'm certainly appreciative of the original author(s). I just packed one(along with the flow chart) in my rifle case with my OLL in preperation for a camping trip this weekend.

                        darklyte, I'll shoot you the PDFs. PM me an email addy.
                        Last edited by Heatseeker; 06-20-2008, 6:13 PM.
                        If it ain't broke, keep fixin' it 'til it is...

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                        • #13
                          Darklyte27
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2008
                          • 9372

                          pm sent thanks
                          2 HANDGUNS STOLEN! 1 RECOVERED READ HERE

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                          • #14
                            Heatseeker
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 1886

                            Originally posted by Darklyte27
                            pm sent thanks
                            Email inbound.
                            If it ain't broke, keep fixin' it 'til it is...

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                            • #15
                              fairfaxjim
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2146

                              Originally posted by bigmike82
                              I thought that notice was pretty obnoxious. I prefer the flow chart and a copy of all the relevant laws. No need to treat the cop like an idiot.
                              I did that one, actually there are a couple versions, fixed mag and featureless, and will try to get a generic version up that can be downloaded in a day or two.

                              As for the tone, that is to cover MY butt when LEO doesn't want to listen to reason and starts banging away at the magazine or whatever. In court I at least can show that I had given them the soop before they went off the deep end and manufactured an AW. They are either going to listen to reason from the get go, or you are going to settle it the hard & $$ way. If they have been warned and do their thing anyway, I figure my lawyer can make them explain their actions.
                              "As soon as we burn 'em," Chinn said, "more come in."
                              Ignatius Chinn, a FORMER veteran firearms agent.
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