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  • UN3178
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    • Sep 2012
    • 249

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    Last edited by UN3178; 01-24-2017, 11:00 AM.
  • #2
    Dano3467
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2013
    • 7381

    Well look at it this way, ( no pun intended ) you live in a free state suddenly you become legally blind but can see a little and function perfectly well otherwise. One day you are attacked the guy grabs you, does your blindness make it so you can not hit your target by pushing weapon in attacker ribs and fire to save your life ?

    Infringe on no one's right's, sounds more right doesn't it ?

    And Stevie Wonder is an Arse...

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    • #3
      tmh1
      Kitchen Operator
      CGN Contributor
      • Nov 2012
      • 1903

      On one hand this is obviously "politically correct" gone off the deep end, but that should surprise no one.

      On the other hand, "clinically blind" does not mean totally blind, and why shouldn't people who have lost a significant amount of eyesight (but not total) have the right to defend themselves? As long as they can still identify friend from foe, I say more power to them. And more power to Iowa for supporting CCW!
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      "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

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      • #4
        twinfin
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 1243

        Actually, it's not as "stupid" as you might think. Use a bit of God given logic, and a bit of wisdom comes to light.

        Many legally blind people still have some degree of vision. And even if there was no vision at all, one could still defend themselves from an attack in their hotel room (for example) or other place outside the home where it would be sensible to carry a self defense weapon concealed.

        Yes, there would be challenges and limitations and increased responsibilities that a legally blind person would have to consider before using a firearm to defend their life but there are many situations where even a legally blind person could effectively use a firearm to defend themselves.

        Imagine being legally blind and entering an elevator with a stranger. You are alone together when the stranger activates the stop button on the elevator and tries to sexually assault you. Does you status as a legally blind person prevent you from using your firearm in the same manor as a sighted person. How about if you are sighted person and in the same elevator scenario, the lights go out and you can't see due to darkness and the stranger in the elevator sexually or violently attacks you. Would your use of a firearm in the darkness be any different from a blind person using a weapon to defend themselves in that same situation?

        Often, law makers (and Calgunners) fall victim to the same knee jerk reaction to situations that "feel" stupid to them and do not take the time to think through their position without first thinking logically and carefully.

        Thankfully, some lawmakers have thought things through and legally blind persons in their jurisdiction are not treated as second class citizens and denied their right do carry a concealed weapon to defend themselves.

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        • #5
          CWDraco
          Banned
          • May 2007
          • 3359

          ^ yup. Just because you are legally blind doesnt mean you cannot see or cannot use devices to see with.

          No one is removing your right to free speech simply because you can't speak.

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          • #6
            Supertac916
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 2423

            Easy for Stevie to say. I'm sure he has armed security.

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            • #7
              CitaDeL
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2007
              • 5843

              Originally posted by connorr931
              Simply amazing how stupid some people are.

              http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/08...mits-to-blind/
              Please tell me you dont want to deny a disabled person the right to keep and bear arms...



              Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat

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              • #8
                NoSpam
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 711

                I can't wait to see (no pun intended) what happens when the blind start having meets at their local gun range.

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                • #9
                  therealnickb
                  King- Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 8946

                  As was mentioned above. Certainly some extra things to consider for the vision impaired.

                  "Know your target and what's beyond" comes to mind for one.

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                  • #10
                    Fishslayer
                    In Memoriam
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 13035

                    Originally posted by NoSpam
                    I can't wait to see (no pun intended) what happens when the blind start having meets at their local gun range.
                    Can they have them at night?
                    "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog.
                    You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart.
                    You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion."


                    Originally Posted by JackRydden224
                    I hope Ruger pays the extortion fees for the SR1911. I mean the gun is just as good if not better than a Les Baer.
                    Originally posted by redcliff
                    A Colt collector shooting Rugers is like Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker.

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                    • #11
                      Steve_In_29
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 5682

                      Legally blind doesn't always mean the person has absolutely no vision. Even absent sight though, a person could still use a gun to protect themselves in the right situation.

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                      • #12
                        noplay6978
                        Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 221

                        How do blind people shoot the qualifier, sense of smell or do they hear the target?
                        Soylent green is peeples

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                        • #13
                          11011500a
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 940

                          See Some people have a need for 30+rd mags & a target spotting pup.

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                          • #14
                            swifty
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 929

                            Originally posted by noplay6978
                            How do blind people shoot the qualifier, sense of smell or do they hear the target?
                            Sometimes the qualifier is not an actual goal that must be met. Sometimes you might need to show 'proficiency', but proficiency can be relative. A blind person may be proficient at handshake distances, but not proficient at 25yds, and that would be the limitations.

                            ~~~

                            I'm glad to see this happen, though it's not a new occurrence. I much prefer the responsibility of a CCW be placed on the carriers shoulders, rather than someone else deciding.

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                            • #15
                              SouperMan
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1463

                              Originally posted by noplay6978
                              How do blind people shoot the qualifier, sense of smell or do they hear the target?
                              I would imagine that they follow SH3 Blind Shooters (sights seek sound-emitting targets) like in the Paralypmic Shooting Sports.

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