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  • #16
    Exodus343
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 4735

    Originally posted by naeco81
    Yup. Close to magwell for maneuverability. Close to muzzle for stability.
    this

    magwell for clearing rooms and corners etc, "driving" forward for everything else
    "Adversity Introduces Us To Ourselves"

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    • #17
      Bobby Ricigliano
      Mit Gott und Mauser
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2011
      • 17439

      It has taken me a while to get used to the support thumb over the top of the handguard style of shooting. I resisted it forever, but it does work. During a daylong shoot & scoot type carbine class (400+ rounds) we were beat over the head repeatedly to use this technique. A lot of guys like to tuck up on the magwell but the muzzle bounces around a lot more with this hold.

      I assume these guys in the video are civilians, but they seem to take their weaponcraft seriously. Pretty dynamic stuff. I'd guess they would outshoot and outmaneuver your average chubb who hits the range 3 times a year and feels like an operator with his overpriced and underused rifle, feeling like Audie Murphy as he bangs a plate at 100 yards from a rest with magnified optics.
      Last edited by Bobby Ricigliano; 08-07-2013, 9:51 AM.

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      • #18
        Exodus343
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 4735

        Originally posted by Bobby Ricigliano
        It has taken me a while to get used to the support thumb over the top of the handguard style of shooting. I resisted it forever, but it does work. During a daylong shoot & scoot type carbine class (400+ rounds) we were beat over the head repeatedly to use this technique. A lot of guys like to tuck up on the magwell but the muzzle bounces around a lot more with this hold.

        I assume these guys in the video are civilians, but they seem to take their weaponcraft seriously. Pretty dynamic stuff. I'd guess they would outshoot and outmaneuver your average chubb who hits the range 3 times a year and feels like an operator with his overpriced and underused rifle, feeling like Audie Murphy as he bangs a plate at 100 yards from a rest with magnified optics.
        lol
        good thing I hit the range every two weeks then
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        • #19
          defcon
          Vendor/Retailer
          • Aug 2011
          • 3006

          Originally posted by bigbearbear
          Its a nice video, I'm curious about the way how one of them holds his AR-15. He holds it in such a way that the left hand is full extended and straight while still aiming down the sights.

          Does anyone here hold their AR-15 or other rifles like that?
          i dont see anyone doing that at my local ranges

          i hold mine with my pinky finger sticking out

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          • #20
            ocabj
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 7924

            Originally posted by bigbearbear
            Its a nice video, I'm curious about the way how one of them holds his AR-15. He holds it in such a way that the left hand is full extended and straight while still aiming down the sights.

            Does anyone here hold their AR-15 or other rifles like that?
            I'm a High Power Rifle shooter, so I shoot close to the magwell.



            But, if I were going to shoot tactical/dynamic/adaptive rifle/carbine, then I would use the extended arm technique.


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            • #21
              Sinister_1
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 815

              Newbs....

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              • #22
                CWDraco
                Banned
                • May 2007
                • 3359

                The straight arm hold helps keep the muzzle on target because of the opposing force (your hand hold) close to where the rise starts from (the muzzle).

                The straight arm uses more energy and as time goes on depending on your training, will eventually hinder your ability to hold the rifle. Luckily 99.999999999999% of civilian combat only last a few minutes.

                That being said, train as you intend to fight.

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                • #23
                  Exodus343
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 4735

                  Originally posted by CWDraco
                  The straight arm hold helps keep the muzzle on target because of the opposing force (your hand hold) close to where the rise starts from (the muzzle).

                  The straight arm uses more energy and as time goes on depending on your training, will eventually hinder your ability to hold the rifle. Luckily 99.999999999999% of civilian combat only last a few minutes.

                  That being said, train as you intend to fight.


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                  • #24
                    blazeaglory
                    Calguns Addict
                    • May 2011
                    • 6370

                    COME AT ME BRO!!!
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                    Also, sometimes I type in CAPS to emphasize a POINT. Please dont interpret that as YELLING. Sorry if I HURT any fuzzy little bunny's FEELINGS out there.

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                    • #25
                      ocabj
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 7924

                      Originally posted by blazeaglory
                      COME AT ME BRO!!!

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                      • #26
                        Exodus343
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 4735

                        Originally posted by ocabj
                        LOL
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                        • #27
                          krisjon
                          Member
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 379

                          They're not true Asian mafia, though. I didn't see any dynamic shooting with stripper poles.

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                          • #28
                            Untamed1972
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 17579

                            They can't be operators.......I didn't hardly see any MultiCam......gotta have MultiCam to be an operator LOL
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                            • #29
                              deckhandmike
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 8325

                              I look pretty operator too until someone shoots back. These guys are 3 gunners not operators. My apologies if any have served but running around to cool music and shooting fast does not make you an operator. Good shooting though.

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                              • #30
                                SuperSet
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 9048

                                Originally posted by deckhandmike
                                I look pretty operator too until someone shoots back. These guys are 3 gunners not operators. My apologies if any have served but running around to cool music and shooting fast does not make you an operator. Good shooting though.
                                3gunners wear helmets and plate rigs?

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