Selling lower receiver-FFl question

[JimWest]

If I understand the law correctly, I can ship such an item myself via FEDEX to the buyers FFL. Correct?
Thank you.

[Quiet]

If I understand the law correctly, I can ship such an item myself via FEDEX to the buyers FFL. Correct?
Thank you.

Because there are no Federal or state laws mandating that a firearm must be shipped by a FFL, it is up to the individual FFL to determine if they will accept shipments for individuals (non-FFLs) or from FFLs only.

Therefore, you need to clarify this with the buyer's FFL dealer.

[razorduc]

I'm pretty sure you could also ship USPS. Saves a lot for whomever is paying shipping.

But yeah, up to the FFL if they are willing to receive from non-FFL or not.

[CWDraco]

FedEx is a no go if you declare it. If you declare it to UPS, expect to pay for overnight at like $100.

If you are shipping to "Tony's Guns", expect them to ask you if its a firearm. If you lie and get caught you can be charged with a felony. You only have to declare if it's inside the State. If its leaving CA you are not forced to declare it, but you can't lie if specifically asked if its a firearm.

If they ask the standard, "is there anything dangerous in here", you don't have to say its a firearm. When they ask what it is DONT SAY, "MACHINED PARTS". They know that is code for FIREARM.

"Its just an aluminum housing." is a better description.

[JimWest]

FedEx is a no go if you declare it. If you declare it to UPS, expect to pay for overnight at like $100.

If you are shipping to "Tony's Guns", expect them to ask you if its a firearm. If you lie and get caught you can be charged with a felony. You only have to declare if it's inside the State. If its leaving CA you are not forced to declare it, but you can't lie if specifically asked if its a firearm.

If they ask the standard, "is there anything dangerous in here", you don't have to say its a firearm. When they ask what it is DONT SAY, "MACHINED PARTS". They know that is code for FIREARM.

"Its just an aluminum housing." is a better description.

It's out of Cali. Value is $1300. I can hear it now: "Awfully expensive aluminum housing". Should I declare it rare art? Does USPS care?

[CWDraco]

It's out of Cali. Value is $1300. I can hear it now: "Awfully expensive aluminum housing". Should I declare it rare art? Does USPS care?

I wrote that backwards. You must declare if it leaves the State. So you need to declare it.

[ke6guj]

If you are shipping to "Tony's Guns", expect them to ask you if its a firearm.

A smart person would sanitize that name to something like just "Tony's". the delivery driver knows who "Tony's" is with that address but the guys at the various shipping depots across the country wouldn't.

As an example. Bushmaster used to request that any firearms shipments to them just say "BFI" on them (Bushmaster Firearms, Inc. IIRC)

If you lie and get caught you can be charged with a felony.

, but you can't lie if specifically asked if its a firearm.

If you are shipping to a licensee, whether in CA or out of state, there is no legal requirement to declare. If that is the case, what law does "lying" fall under?

[CWDraco]

A smart person would sanitize that name to something like just "Tony's". the delivery driver knows who "Tony's" is with that address but the guys at the various shipping depots across the country wouldn't.

As an example. Bushmaster used to request that any firearms shipments to them just say "BFI" on them (Bushmaster Firearms, Inc. IIRC)


If you are shipping to a licensee, whether in CA or out of state, there is no legal requirement to declare. If that is the case, what law does "lying" fall under?

Federal law says you must declare if it crosses state lines.http://www.cgwgun.com/shipping/batf.aspx
8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Federal law only requires you to notify the carrier if the firearm is being shipped to a non-FFL in another State. If you are shipping to an FFL then notifying the carrier is not required by federal law.

[ke6guj]

Federal law says you must declare if it crosses state lines.http://www.cgwgun.com/shipping/batf.aspx
8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

that FAQ is inaccurate. As Mssr. Elegante posted, it doesn't apply if you are shipping to an FFL.

to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped: Provided, That any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of that trip without violating any provision of this part.

that says that you must notify the carrier if you are interstate shipping a firearm to any person, unless that person is a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector. If the recipient is one of those, that that CFR does not apply to them. hence, there is no requirement to notify the shipper when shipping to a licensee.

[JimWest]

Shipping receiver- final questions

Legal protection that firearm has been duly transferred to new owner- request copies of paperwork from FFL? Bill of sale? Lastly, declaration of contents is required on UPS form-"precision instrument". How's that?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...Lastly, declaration of contents is required on UPS form-"precision instrument". How's that?

There isn't even a place to declare the contents when you print up the shipping/tracking label at home through the UPS web site. You should already have that label on the package when you arrive at UPS. Using the shipping computer at the UPS facility is fine if you are 80+ years old or don't own a computer. Otherwise you should be printing it at home.

[JimWest]

There isn't even a place to declare the contents when you print up the shipping/tracking label at home through the UPS web site. You should already have that label on the package when you arrive at UPS. Using the shipping computer at the UPS facility is fine if you are 80+ years old or don't own a computer. Otherwise you should be printing it at home.

Roger that. And the legal verification/paperwork?