Turners FUD

[pigpen66m]

I was in Turners this morning when I overheard the salesgirl tell a customer that even though the stripped lower was DROSED as a rifle he could legally turn it into a pistol. I've heard that if you had a pistol you could put a rifle upper then go back to a pistol upper. But once it's DROSED as a rifle and you put a pistol upper on it it's now a SBR even after you remove the stock.

[Colt562]

Correct.

[ke6guj]

I was in Turners this morning when I overheard the salesgirl tell a customer that even though the stripped lower was DROSED as a rifle he could legally turn it into a pistol. I've heard that if you had a pistol you could put a rifle upper then go back to a pistol upper. But once it's DROSED as a rifle and you put a pistol upper on it it's now a SBR even after you remove the stock.

first off, a stripped lower is not DROS'ed as a rifle, but as a "long gun". there is a legal difference.

that said, it has not be proven one way or another if CADOJ would consider a "long gun" DROS stripped receiver built up initially as a Pistol to be an SBR. We can only assume that they would, which is why most of us will suggest that you do NOT do that, even though it should be legally allowable.

ATF has already stated that it doesn't matter if CA has you DROS it as a long gun, in ATF's eyes it would not be a federally-defined SBR if you initially made a pistol out of it.

[Zedrek]

I was in Turners this morning when I overheard the salesgirl tell a customer that even though the stripped lower was DROSED as a rifle he could legally turn it into a pistol. I've heard that if you had a pistol you could put a rifle upper then go back to a pistol upper. But once it's DROSED as a rifle and you put a pistol upper on it it's now a SBR even after you remove the stock.

I believe your thread title: Turners FUD is redundant.

[Maddog5150]

first off, a stripped lower is not DROS'ed as a rifle, but as a "long gun". there is a legal difference.

that said, it has not be proven one way or another if CADOJ would consider a "long gun" DROS stripped receiver built up initially as a Pistol to be an SBR. We can only assume that they would, which is why most of us will suggest that you do do that, even though it should be legally allowable.

ATF has already stated that it doesn't matter if CA has you DROS it as a long gun, in ATF's eyes it would not be a federally-defined SBR if you initially made a pistol out of it.

PWND!!!

So title should be "I want to whine about Turners. Hear me out."

[CS25]

I believe your thread title: Turners FUD is redundant.

I can't stand any of them. it always takes 2 hours to sell on a slow day - _-
but "fud" and turners are synonymous

[joker70]

I was in Turners this morning when I overheard the salesgirl tell a customer that even though the stripped lower was DROSED as a rifle he could legally turn it into a pistol. I've heard that if you had a pistol you could put a rifle upper then go back to a pistol upper. But once it's DROSED as a rifle and you put a pistol upper on it it's now a SBR even after you remove the stock.

Not really FUD = Fear Uncertainty and Doubt but definitely incorrect statement by the salesgirl. FUD is the "this firearm will be banned" tags Turners are putting on their semi auto rifles.

[CWDraco]

A stripped receiver is listed as "other" on the ATF form. Its neither pistol nor longarm. The DROS system only has two choices, pistol or longarm. The DROS system has nothing to do with declaring what you have, its simply a way to categorize your purchase.

The salesgirl was 100% correct. The ATF has some strange ways and you can run afoul of laws by modifying a pistol, so look up what you are doing before you do it. Its not always as cut and dry as people what it to be.

We got into a heated debate about removing a shotguns stock and installing just a pistol grip. This turns the shotgun into a Title 1 "other" firearm, and removes its classification as a shotgun. So the exclusion given to shotguns in Destructive Device law no longer applies. People got pissed because I got confused on technical names and laws, but in the end I was right, under the right circumstances your modification can be classified an unregistered Destructive Device (felony and 10 years in prison) since it has a bore over 1/2 inch and is not a shotgun anymore. The same as your $50 flaregun you bought at Big5. That turns into a DD under the same circumstances, only difference is the firearm is being used as intended which makes it 1000X easier to convict you.