Would this safety method be possible with AIWB?

[rtl]

Hey guys,

I was just thinking about AIWB last night and I was thinking about ways to make it safer to reholster. Now I just want to clarify, this idea isnt something to completely skip every other safety check you should do but this is sort of like riding the hammer. i couldnt think this wouldnt work but thats why i wanted to throw this out to you guys and get some input. particularly for striker fired pistols, what if when you reholster the gun, you insert your finger BEHIND the trigger so that IF for some reason the trigger snags on something, there would be no way of the trigger pulling back because the tip of your finger is in the way. now once your finger touches your holster you can safely remove it and finish holstering the gun. is it stupid? is it crazy?

[lilro]

I think it's stupid. If there is ever a situation where for some reason you need to quickly re-holster without looking, the last thing you would want to do is put your finger in the trigger guard. You may misjudge, pull the trigger, and there goes your balls, or if you're unlucky, your femoral artery. R.I.P.

[Findout]

I use an inside the waist band holster when I carry and I do not carry with a round in the chamber, specifically for the reason you're concerned about - safety. I know a lot of people disagree with the practice of carrying without a round in the chamber, but I think the tremendously increased risk of accident outweighs to the slight speed advantage when it comes to carrying with a round chambered.

[Dvrjon]

The part that makes the gun go "BOOM" is the trigger.
Keep your fingers away from it if you don't want the gun to go "BOOM".

The safest holstering method is to remove the holster, set the gun in the holster, then reattach the holster on your belt.

[voiceofreason]

interesting idea. glad you're asking. better to ask and learn

NOT putting you down, glad you're asking and not testing with live ammo

answer without a doubt:
NO. don't do it.

never touch the trigger in any way unless you're ready to shoot

or at least have made the decision to shoot with the muzzle pointed in the target's direction
("rolling the trigger" or "prepping the trigger")

what you're describing is a fine motor skill; under pressure or stress, you WILL default to what you've practiced or done over and over.

I wouldn't be shocked if a person that practiced the OP's suggestion...

1. survived the gunfight and won
2. attempted to reholster
3. shot off his twig and a berry


would suggest:
a. get a gun with a manual safety
b. run the striker fired gun with no manual safety in "condition 3/Israeli style"
c. get a gun with a double action trigger (DA/SA)


I've trained with striker fired guns with no manual safeties for years with NO negligent or accidental discharges.

That said, over time, I've come to realize that the 1911s, double action/single action guns that I used to run ARE indeed safer for the most part. Just a personal opinion, but unless you're running an OWB holster on a static range or using for military/LE purposes, in carrying concealed, clothing and other stuff can indeed get caught in your trigger guard when reholstering with a round in the chamber.

[rtl]

Interesting, thanks for the replies! its why i use this forum haha. I realize that the finger should be kept AWAY from the trigger only until you are pointing at something you intend to destroy.

I just figured that with enough training and repetition, you could train yourself after you shoot, break the gun to a neutral position, safety check surroundings, slowly and surely slide your finger around the frame WITHOUT LIFTING the finger from the frame and sneak it right behind the trigger.

but yeah i guess while running under high duress and adrenaline trying to sneak your finger into the trigger guard might not be the best idea.

[rtl]

I think it's stupid. If there is ever a situation where for some reason you need to quickly re-holster without looking, the last thing you would want to do is put your finger in the trigger guard. You may misjudge, pull the trigger, and there goes your balls, or if you're unlucky, your femoral artery. R.I.P.

what sort of situation would ever make you reholster AIWB QUICKLY and WITHOUT LOOKING? just wondering! I feel like everyone that talks about AIWB they hammer it into your head to NEVER reholster quickly or without looking unless you want to do exactly what you described.

Oh and this is pretty random but, do you guys who conceal AIWB train with airsoft counterparts or blue guns?

[Merc1138]

what sort of situation would ever make you reholster AIWB QUICKLY and WITHOUT LOOKING? just wondering! I feel like everyone that talks about AIWB they hammer it into your head to NEVER reholster quickly or without looking unless you want to do exactly what you described.

Oh and this is pretty random but, do you guys who conceal AIWB train with airsoft counterparts or blue guns?

So in what situation would you need to re-holster when you can't pay any attention to what you're doing and would need to try and hold the trigger forward?

You're trying to come up with a shortcut for paying attention to your equipment, that's a bad idea no matter what the situation is.

[rtl]

So in what situation would you need to re-holster when you can't pay any attention to what you're doing and would need to try and hold the trigger forward?

You're trying to come up with a shortcut for paying attention to your equipment, that's a bad idea no matter what the situation is.

Oh sorry i came out that way, i was saying earlier that i do not consider this a shortcut or think it replaces anything else. just wondering what people thought about it, thanks for your input!

[Findout]

Oh and this is pretty random but, do you guys who conceal AIWB train with airsoft counterparts or blue guns?

You can train with your real gun, just do it unloaded. Won't hurt a striker fired pistol a bit to cock and fire it dry, and you'll still always be able to tell if you accidentally pulled the trigger.

[Dvrjon]

You're trying to come up with a shortcut for paying attention to your equipment, that's a bad idea no matter what the situation is.

Ironically funny.

[1911su16b870]

Violates one of the golden four rules (Cooper's Laws) of firearm safety: Finger out side of trigger area until after you've made the decision to shoot.

Make sure your clothing and equipment are of good quality and type not to get in the way during re-holstering.

[lilro]

what sort of situation would ever make you reholster AIWB QUICKLY and WITHOUT LOOKING? just wondering! I feel like everyone that talks about AIWB they hammer it into your head to NEVER reholster quickly or without looking unless you want to do exactly what you described.

Oh and this is pretty random but, do you guys who conceal AIWB train with airsoft counterparts or blue guns?

I don't know of any situation like that, which is why I said it. A lot of the different training videos online say to find the holster with your thumb to reholster rather than look at what you're doing. I have no idea why. I can see the reasons to UN-holster quickly w/o looking, but none to re-holster. You can see some of Cory & Erika's videos on youtube for examples.

For the second question, unload your firearm, and practice with it empty in another room. Incorporate some dry fire drills. Airsoft and blue guns won't properly mimic the trigger pull, which is one of the most important parts.

But make sure you take a class first.

[rtl]

I don't know of any situation like that, which is why I said it. A lot of the different training videos online say to find the holster with your thumb to reholster rather than look at what you're doing. I have no idea why. I can see the reasons to UN-holster quickly w/o looking, but none to re-holster. You can see some of Cory & Erika's videos on youtube for examples.

For the second question, unload your firearm, and practice with it empty in another room. Incorporate some dry fire drills. Airsoft and blue guns won't properly mimic the trigger pull, which is one of the most important parts.

But make sure you take a class first.

Ah, thanks for the tips. much appreciated!

[voiceofreason]

One thing that a lot of people don't realize is how often CCW can involve removing your pistol from its holster to honor places that don't allow CCW.

Removing a gun with no manual safety and a sub 6# trigger from your holster and storing it in your car, then returning it back to your holster in a parking lot leaves more than a bit of wiggle room for something to go wrong.

Schools, post office, federal building, courthouse, anyplace with a sign, etc.

A DA gun or one with a manual safety makes a process a bit safer IMO.