"Tools" not "Weapons"

[bohoki]

uh no there is a clear line and firearms are on the weapon side

tools can be weapons and weapons can be tools ive seen revolvers that looked like their butts were used as a hammer and the front sight of my ruger mark 2 target can be used to cut tarp and probably gut a deer its so sharp


the word "tool" is almost as undefinable as "art" i say almost because a tool has to be useful in some way

so i guess it is a heiararchy


a weapon is a tool

a truck is a vehicle

are you are saying lets not call them trucks anymore lets call them "vehicles"

[POLICESTATE]

uh no there is a clear line and firearms are on the weapon side

tools can be weapons and weapons can be tools ive seen revolvers that looked like their butts were used as a hammer and the front sight of my ruger mark 2 target can be used to cut tarp and probably gut a deer its so sharp


the word "tool" is almost as undefinable as "art" i say almost because a tool has to be useful in some way

so i guess it is a heiararchy


a weapon is a tool

a truck is a vehicle

are you are saying lets not call them trucks anymore lets call them "vehicles"

No, I'm saying that SilverTauron had a great counter point to mine and I agree with it. So it's kind of a moot point now, but yeah I guess your way works too.

[SilverTauron]

Too bad we have so many people in America today that seem to believe the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee the right to keep and bear arms either.

The trouble with such people is they naturally fear the unknown; and what is a greater mystery to urban residents in a gun-free zone like Chicago or LA then a firearm?

[russ69]

...A firearm is designed, ultimately, to kill. That is the entire point of its existence...

I don't think my Olympic target rifles and air rifles are designed to kill anything but the x-ring.

[lilro]

A firearm is a weapon, but if you give it time, it will eventually be a tool as well. We have shooting sports, and stuff like this:

Knives weren't invented to spread butter.

[POLICESTATE]

The trouble with such people is they naturally fear the unknown; and what is a greater mystery to urban residents in a gun-free zone like Chicago or LA then a firearm?

I also find that the trouble with people like that is that outside their own, narrow self-interest they have little to no imagination, so it's easy for various influences to project a belief onto them. TV, Movies, Celebrities. Look up "Perception Management" There's a scary thing. I like to think myself immune but the control of information is such a powerful thing, you never know if you are really getting all the facts, or even the right ones for that matter.

At least we try. I just can't bring myself to speak in "baaahh"

I don't think my Olympic target rifles and air rifles are designed to kill anything but the x-ring.

OMG, those poor trees died to make paper for your targets, you are in essence killing those trees! Also sporting clays, beer bottles, tannerite, steel... lots of things we can't actually kill make great and fun targets to plink at. Especially with a .50 BMG

A firearm is a weapon, but if you give it time, it will eventually be a tool as well. We have shooting sports, and stuff like this:

Knives weren't invented to spread butter.

I was trying to think of a tool whose primary purpose is as a weapon and I completely overlooked knives, probably like most people. And in a thread where I even mention knife-wielding Chinese maniacs.

The extra sun today seems to have gone to my head, and my hands are even a little bit sun burned.

The knife. Probably the ultimate tool mankind has ever produced. When you strip away all the nice stuff we have now and break things down to the most basic necessities of life, a knife is the most indispensable tool you can have.

[MrExel17]

Good point and totally agree. Heck anything can be a weapon in the right hands.

[mcmikeblues7]

Stupid argument for gun rights. It means nothing to people who are not strong RKBA supporters.

[POLICESTATE]

Stupid argument for gun rights. It means nothing to people who are not strong RKBA supporters.

Yeah you're right about that. I have come to believe there is no reasoning with the gun-grabbers. We will never win using reason, logic, and trying to fight the good fight so to speak.

I believe the time is long-past for directly attacking them the way they attack us. Which is to paint the other side as bad. Which for us is a good thing because they are the bad guys. They are the ones who would ultimately project their own vision of society on the rest of us, and this is a very anti-American thing.

If it's worth fighting for, it's worth fighting dirty for. Let us join their ranks, surreptitiously of course, and foment division and doubt and in-fighting and sabotage the whole process on their side. It wouldn't take much I would bet, several people per county to get actively involved in those anti-2A campaigns would probably be all that's necessary. A more radical, militant voice that helps paint the rest of the movement in a less flattering light... the right people who would excel at something like this, if they are reading this, are already probably got gears whirring away in their minds. Those are the people that would be perfect.

Sometimes I wonder if they are not doing the same thing to us already, albeit to a much more limited extent than I would visit upon them.

[CWDraco]

You can call it what you want. The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution told the Government they can not infringe on our weapons used for defense.

They can infringe on Hunting.
They can infringe on Sport.
They can infringe on business.
They can infringe on TOOLS, which is why we have the GCA and the NFA along with all other regulation dealing with firearm as TOOLS. They then broaden that to include crime prevention and justify banning some firearms but not all firearms.

You have no god given right to tools, you have a right to weapons used in self-defense.