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  • cal2012
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 90

    Does an Antique Revolver Need FFL Transfer?

    I have an Antique Revolver for Sale and I am getting conflicting stories whether it needs to go through an FFL Dealer in Ca. or not. It is an 1877 Colt Thunderer approximate manufacturer date 1892. And the ammo is Not readily available. Some say that classifies it as an antique but I have one Private Message saying that rule of cash and carry only applies to long arms and not revolvers. Can anyone help clarify?


    I'm not asking for legal advice just opinions
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    Laythor
    Senior Member
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2012
    • 991

    redacted due to my limited understanding of CA gun laws
    Last edited by Laythor; 05-20-2013, 5:26 PM.

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    • #3
      -hanko
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2002
      • 14174

      Originally posted by cal2012
      I have an Antique Revolver for Sale and I am getting conflicting stories whether it needs to go through an FFL Dealer in Ca. or not. It is an 1877 Colt Thunderer approximate manufacturer date 1892. And the ammo is Not readily available. Some say that classifies it as an antique but I have one Private Message saying that rule of cash and carry only applies to long arms and not revolvers. Can anyone help clarify?


      I'm not asking for legal advice just opinions
      It's cash and carry IF the weapon is C&R and a long arm. C&R pistols require a licensee for transfer IF you did not purchase the gun in person out of state.

      None of which is germane in your case...the weapon is an antique, not a C&R.

      -hanko
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        cal2012
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 90

        Okay, so from my understanding, only c&R Long guns are cash and carry. and all guns including revolvers that are classified as "Antique" are cash and carry. Is this correct? Mine is considered an "Antique" so there should be no need for paperwork. Is that correct?

        the law from DOJ
        Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The buyer (and seller, in the event that the; buyer is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements. "Antique firearms," as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.

        I'm not asking for legal advice just opinions

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        • #5
          -hanko
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jul 2002
          • 14174



          Uh, might want to check http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Antique_Firearms

          No ffl required, can't give to a "prohibited person", can't carry concealed absent an ltc.

          hth

          -hanko
          True wealth is time. Time to enjoy life.

          Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

          Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

          A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog. Charles Doran

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          • #6
            -hanko
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Jul 2002
            • 14174

            Originally posted by cal2012
            Okay, so from my understanding, only c&R Long guns are cash and carry. and all guns including revolvers that are classified as "Antique" are cash and carry. Is this correct? Mine is considered an "Antique" so there should be no need for paperwork. Is that correct?

            the law from DOJ
            Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The buyer (and seller, in the event that the; buyer is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements. "Antique firearms," as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.

            I'm not asking for legal advice just opinions
            Your understanding is correct...no need for paperwork.

            Excellent cite. Mayby Laythor will correct his post.

            Pics??

            -hanko
            True wealth is time. Time to enjoy life.

            Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

            Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

            A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog. Charles Doran

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            • #7
              cal2012
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 90

              pics of revolver. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=765489

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              • #8
                Laythor
                Senior Member
                CGN Contributor
                • Oct 2012
                • 991

                well i learn something new everyday

                thanks Hanko!

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                • #9
                  harmoniums
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 3488

                  I just found out unloaded open carry of an antique pistol is allowed :

                  Unloaded open carry

                  For a very special circumstance, the ban on unloaded open carry at PC 26350 exempts unloaded 'antique firearms' through PC 16520(d)(5).
                  I have a nice thunderer and also a lightning
                  WTB Irish firearms:
                  old SxS shotguns, Enfields (Irish contract or FF marked), RIC marked carbines or revolvers, odd ball flintlocks.

                  VZ58 PARTS F/S - I've got everything except magazine parts
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                  • #10
                    steamerjames
                    Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 353

                    The hardest part about these 1877 revolvers is getting ammo for them.38 long colt is out of production and so its 41 long colt. You can buy hollow base bullets and use in place of the now unobtainable heeled bullets. Good luck and have fun. Starline still makes 41 colt cases and 38 special can be trimmed and used cheap.

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