Question about shipping Ammo...

[skale240]

I'm flying out to Boise, Idaho this week to visit a friend and am planning to pick up some ammo there and shipping it back here to San Diego. are there any restrictions or tips any of you might know about regarding this?

Thanks in advance!

[USN CHIEF]

From what I know, San Diego does not have ammo restriction as long as it is not the stuff that is prohibited in CA like Armor Piercing/Explosive/Incendiary etc. If it is just regular ammo you can ship it via ground server only like UPS/FEDEX etc. Go to the UPS website and it will give you details on what labels you need to affix to the box..

[hill billy]

SO far I have not had any luck trying to ship ammo through either fedex or Ups in LA. BUt I've had a lot of luck shipping "car parts"

[scfast]

I had my wife ship out a package at fedex ground that had some ammo in it and i told her to tell them it did not have any ammo if they asked and they did ask she said it did and they told here it could not be shipped without "permits" and it was a federal offense uhhuh....at least she was smart enough to remove it and ship the rest of the package....

[Hunter]

It is a DOT regulation that the package be marked "ORM-D" in order for one to ship small arms ammunition via FedEx or UPS. No other permits are required. I have never had any problem with FedEx ground taking my shipments.

[Ding126]

Also, check with your airline. I usually carry ammo with me between states and US Airways will allows up to 11 lbs in my check-in luggage ( I have carried more ) Just needs to be packaged at a minimum in a card board box.

[Librarian]

Fedex rules on line:

Firearms

1. FedEx Express will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
1. Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
2. If your shipment contains firearms, select the Direct Signature Required or Adult Signature Required Delivery Signature Option, depending on the requirements of your shipment. See the Delivery Signature Options section for details. Firearms shipments are not eligible for signature release or indirect delivery.
3. Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx Express cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.
4. Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx Express is required to notify FedEx Express that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm.
5. The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
6. The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
7. G. FedEx Express will transport ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Dangerous Goods section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as dangerous goods. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.


Dangerous Goods

1. All packages containing dangerous goods must comply with the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Technical Instructions for the Safe Transport of Dangerous Goods by Air, the International Air Transport Association (IATA) Dangerous Goods Regulations and, where applicable, Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Shippers of dangerous goods, whether prepared under ICAO/IATA or 49CFR, must comply with all FedEx Express variations listed in the current edition of the IATA tariff. The shipper is responsible for complying with all packing requirements and appropriate marking and labeling of the package, documentation, as well as compliance with applicable local, state, and federal laws, regulations, ordinances and rules. The shipper is also responsible for ensuring the recipient complies with all applicable local, state and federal laws, regulations, ordinances and rules for applicable hazard classes.
2. Shippers must comply with all applicable local, state and federal laws governing packing, marking and labeling of shipments of blood and blood products, regardless of whether they are infectious.
3. FedEx packaging may not be used to ship dangerous goods (except for Biological Substance, Category B (UN 3373), which may be shipped in the FedEx Clinical Pak).
4. Shipments containing dangerous goods are not eligible for FedEx Express return options.
5. FedEx Express does not accept dangerous goods shipments prepared exclusively for ground shipment.

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11. Not all FedEx locations accept dangerous goods, and we reserve the right to refuse dangerous goods at any location where they cannot be accepted in accordance with applicable law. Dangerous goods shipments, including dry ice and Biological Substance, Category B (UN 3373) shipments, are not accepted at FedEx Express Drop Box locations, FedEx Kinko's Office and Print Center locations, FedEx Authorized ShipCenter locations, and unstaffed FedEx locations.
12. The shipper must provide all required information and complete all boxes pertaining to dangerous goods on the FedEx airbill.
13. Note: We are required by law to report improperly declared or undeclared shipments of dangerous goods to the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT). The shipper may be subject to fines and penalties under applicable law. The DOT/Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) requires every shipper to have job-specific dangerous goods training prior to tendering a dangerous goods shipment to FedEx or another air carrier. When individuals tender a shipment containing dangerous goods it must be properly classified, packaged, marked, labeled and identified as dangerous goods, and include the correct dangerous goods documentation.
14. Dangerous goods may not be rerouted to an address other than the original intended-recipient's address provided by the shipper. (Note: Shipments may be made available as hold for pickup or be returned to the sender.)
15. We are required to maintain proper segregation of incompatible dangerous goods on all vehicles and aircraft. This necessity may cause the shipment to move on the next available truck route or flight on which proper segregation can be maintained.
16. If you have questions regarding shipments of dangerous goods, you may call 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.3339 and say "dangerous goods" to connect to our Dangerous Goods/Hazardous Materials Hotline for assistance.

FedEx claims they will accept ammunition, but it must be properly marked with the ORM D labeling

A snippet of IATA (International Air Transport Association) regs says

IATA Restricted Articles Regulations which states "the ammunition must be packed in a strong outside container made of wood, metal or fibreboard. Inside the container, it must be protected against shock and secured against movement and must be so packed that it cannot function accidentally under conditions normally incident to transportation."

See also this gunbroker link.

[skale240]

Thank you for all the info guys. It sounds like its more of a hassle then a deal to ship the ammo to me. I'll see what i'll do I guess. I might just have to invest in a reloader instead.

[EOD Guy]

SO far I have not had any luck trying to ship ammo through either fedex or Ups in LA. BUt I've had a lot of luck shipping "car parts"

If, by chance, some ammunition was slipped in with your "car parts", you made an undeclared hazardous material shipment, which is a violation of Federal law. The minimumn civil fine for such an action is $15,000 a DAY for each day the package is in transportation. That doesn't include any criminal penalties. The Department of Transportation is very proactive in following up on undeclared shipments. That type of shipment caused the Value Jet crash in Florida several years ago which killed everyone on board.

Before anyone says that ammunition is not hazmat, the Feds disagree.

[PzKfW]

https://www.ammunitiontogo.com

[hill billy]

If, by chance, some ammunition was slipped in with your "car parts", you made an undeclared hazardous material shipment, which is a violation of Federal law. The minimumn civil fine for such an action is $15,000 a DAY for each day the package is in transportation. That doesn't include any criminal penalties. The Department of Transportation is very proactive in following up on undeclared shipments. That type of shipment caused the Value Jet crash in Florida several years ago which killed everyone on board.

Before anyone says that ammunition is not hazmat, the Feds disagree.

I wrote orm-d on the box. Does that count?

[skale240]

Also, check with your airline. I usually carry ammo with me between states and US Airways will allows up to 11 lbs in my check-in luggage ( I have carried more ) Just needs to be packaged at a minimum in a card board box.

So I found out I could carry upto 11lbs of small arms ammo also I just have to let the airline know ahead of time. Another question, and I see another thread thats the opposite of what I was gonna ask. I plan on bringing my sig 226 with me to Idaho. Now i've already called the airline and let them know that I will be doing this. This is my first time checking in a firearm at the airport. anyone else done this. any warnings or advice a fellow cal gunner should be aware of?

[EOD Guy]

If, by chance, some ammunition was slipped in with your "car parts", you made an undeclared hazardous material shipment, which is a violation of Federal law. The minimumn civil fine for such an action is $15,000 a DAY for each day the package is in transportation. That doesn't include any criminal penalties. The Department of Transportation is very proactive in following up on undeclared shipments. That type of shipment caused the Value Jet crash in Florida several years ago which killed everyone on board.

Before anyone says that ammunition is not hazmat, the Feds disagree.

I wrote orm-d on the box. Does that count?

Not unless you enclosed it in a rectangle at least 1/4 inch larger than the letters on each side and marked "Cartridges Small Arms" next to the ORM-D marking.