FFL and problems

[76231b]

My friend had his rifles shipped to a new FFL folder. The guy isn't an actual gun dealer, he just recently got his license.

What my friend wanted to do was, have 2 rifles shipped to this FFL and then DROS them both at once. Then pick them up 10 days later.

What ended up happend was totally different. The rifles arrived. My friend went down to fill out the paper work and did so, mentioning that he wanted to DROS both at once. He left the shop after pay the single fee that was agreed to for the DROS. After the ten days my friend goes down there and says he had not submitted the paper work to DOJ yet so he can't pick up his rifles yet. Then he says that he will submit the paperwork the following day and then the ten day will start. My friend just goes with it. Now it is about 8 days through the second ten day waiting period and the FFL calls him up and said he only submitted one rifle to the DOJ and he will submit the seconed one tomorrow. The FFL wants to hold the second rifle for another 10 days and charge him for another DROS.

Is this right? I was under the impression that the ten day wait starts when you finish the paper work and it didn't matter when it was called in. I don't really know how it works but this just seems wrong.

[SFFRONTMAN]

The 10 days starts when the Dealer/FFL submits the DROS information in the computer system, not when you fill out the paperwork.

[76231b]

Now how does the 2 rifles on one DROS work? Do they actually submit 2 rifles or is the DROS a general background check? Would the 10 day wait be required on the second rifle, since it should have gone on the first?

Thanks for any help.

[SFFRONTMAN]

When a dealer submits a DROS with multiple rifles, there is a space on the system entry for number of long guns, all the FFL has to put is the number 2. On the back of the 4473, it is simply a matter of listing both the long guns and their information. If it was done correctly, both guns could be picked up on the same 10 wait and time.

[76231b]

Thank you. So much for this FFL then, I won't be using him...

[mymonkeyman]

This whole thing seems fishy. Dealers are all supposed to have / use computers for DROS. Paper or "phone in" are just backups for when the computer goes down (or to start half of a gun show transaction). The dealer needs to enter the DROS information into the computer so he can then print out the DROS paper form for the person to sign. It sounds like none of this happened at all which makes me wonder if the guy at issue is even a fully-licensed dealer.

[76231b]

This whole thing seems fishy. Dealers are all supposed to have / use computers for DROS. Paper or "phone in" are just backups for when the computer goes down (or to start half of a gun show transaction). The dealer needs to enter the DROS information into the computer so he can then print out the DROS paper form for the person to sign. It sounds like none of this happened at all which makes me wonder if the guy at issue is even a fully-licensed dealer.

Well he was the rifles were sent from Lan World, so he must have had the proper licensing. I think the FFL is just being lazy or has no idea what he is doing.

[MILLITIAof1]

would you mind posting the ffl's name so none of us get stuck in the same situation?

[RedDawn]

Well he was the rifles were sent from Lan World, so he must have had the proper licensing. I think the FFL is just being lazy or has no idea what he is doing.

I think a little of both...

[dustoff31]

My friend had his rifles shipped to a new FFL folder. The guy isn't an actual gun dealer, he just recently got his license.

Could be that he got his FFL, but hasn't gotten his CA dealer paperwork yet.
IIRC ATF gives you 30 days after issuing the license to meet any state requirements.

[dfletcher]

It sounds like this FFL also just recently got his brains .....

So your pal pays for the guns and the soonest he gets one is 18 days, on the next one total wait is 28 days? And no "Oh by the way I goofed" phone call before your pal shows for the 1st pick up. Hopefully you'll let us know the name of this soon to be slurpee slinger so we don't depend on him for anything more than fries and a shake.

"Dear God why did you put all the stupid people on earth at the same time?"

[76231b]

I don't know his name, sorry.

[MILLITIAof1]

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