AK Underfolder

[skscj]

Seen a AK Underfolder at the Cowpalace,asked the guy if they are too short for Cali.,,he said no..Asked where to get a receiver for that gun,,he said there around...Question..Are they too short for us?? Who has receivers for these??
THANKS

[JeffM]

It depends.

[MrTuffPaws]

If folded, chances are it would be shorter than 3' If you locked the stock, then you would be fine.

[Xerxes]

I learned at this forum that these were "to short" even before the AW ban

Tens of thousands sold in CA before the ban but with the slant compensator they are 25 3/4" with stock folded, and CA counted it with the stock folded unlike fed-case law meaning they made it up as they went to get a conviction-none of the presumed innocent till proven guilty, not guilty and if not we will change the law as we go to make sure you are guilty in the end.

For AW ban it needs to be 30" so you need a much longer barrel than the standard 16"+ in order to have a folding stock with fixed magazine. This is possible because there were the "RPK" versions (also called by the gun store salesman as "National Match" though I don't know what was matched on them) and theoretically you could put a folder/fixed magazine <10 rounds on one of these.

What is not clear since CA makes up law as they go is if you put a threaded 4" device on the barrel if that counts. Feds say for 16" barrel length minimum it must be permanently attached but CA does not address this for the 30" minimum length overall specifically so it leaves it open to an overzealous prosecutor to "WRITE" more case law to get a conviction from a law that did not exist before your trial.

I know about this one as on my registered AK folder I have a AK-74 brake to make it over 26" long but always wonder if a copper wanted to harass me he could unscrew the brake and it would be 25 5/8" long thus less than 26" and in violation. I have thought about tack welding it (not a real bad deal because it is a brake to front site thus front of barrel is not damaged) but I dislike this on principal as removing my muzzle brake is disassembling my gun similar to removing a stock from a dear rifle or such, where it could still be fired, and less than 26" long and therefor suspect for an overzealous anti-gun idiot.

Moral of the story is to love your wife/girlfriend and to not fight with her and call her names because most of us if we were to get into trouble would be from a spiteful (ex)wife calling the coppers on us.

[ghost]

Seen a AK Underfolder at the Cowpalace,asked the guy if they are too short for Cali.,,he said no..Asked where to get a receiver for that gun,,he said there around...Question..Are they too short for us?? Who has receivers for these??
THANKS

you can have an underfolder,but you`ll have to make it compliant for legal length 30 inches.you can either pin the stock open,install a trunnion extender,or get an extended length brake for the barrel.just remember since you have these evil features you`ll have to fix a 10 round mag in place or get an ak bullet button.
you can get a receiver from www.nodakspud.com

[weezil_boi]

I tried like hell to find it, but somewhere I saw a pic of an underfolder that had a small ( maybe 4") wire stock that was in fixed position even when the longer stock was folded down. It was between the double wires of the longer stock. This could work no? It didnt look nearly as wierd as it sunds.

If anyone else has seen it, and knows what Im talking about / has links or pics.... help.

[savasyn]

I know about this one as on my registered AK folder I have a AK-74 brake to make it over 26" long but always wonder if a copper wanted to harass me he could unscrew the brake and it would be 25 5/8" long thus less than 26" and in violation.

So registered rifles need to be 26" or longer? Good to know. I always knew about the minimum barrel length, but didn't know there was an overall length for reg'd guns.

[JeffM]

So registered rifles need to be 26" or longer? Good to know. I always knew about the minimum barrel length, but didn't know there was an overall length for reg'd guns.

He's talking about Fed. law.

[redcliff]

So registered rifles need to be 26" or longer? Good to know. I always knew about the minimum barrel length, but didn't know there was an overall length for reg'd guns.

If you mean registerred rifle as in Registerred CA Assault Weapon than 26" is the minimum length in California. For unregisterred BB or MMG rifles 30" is the minimum length with the stock folded.

Glad I read this thread and had an AK74 muzzlebrake laying around for my registerred Hungarian AK underfolder.

[JHC]

If you want to keep the folding ability it's pretty easy to tack weld on a rear trunion extension to get your length, a piece of bar stock is easy but I prefer this myself, "it's for the children you know".

[wilit]

Best way to pin the under-folding stock open ???

There's a pin that is driven through a hole in the bottom of the receiver that holds the button to the locking ring. You can use a longer pin than the stock one so it sticks out the bottom of the hole in the receiver so you cannot push the button in. It should look similar to this:



Here's a diagram to show you how it all goes together.



More great assembly info can be found at http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK/ak.htm

[Ford8N]

Here's a diagram to show you how it all goes together.

Take out the spring(#2) and replace with either a cut off bolt or wood dowel of appropriate length. You will have to trim just enough so the pin that holds the button in will fit.

[savasyn]

If you mean registerred rifle as in Registerred CA Assault Weapon than 26" is the minimum length in California. For unregisterred BB or MMG rifles 30" is the minimum length with the stock folded.

Glad I read this thread and had an AK74 muzzlebrake laying around for my registerred Hungarian AK underfolder.

Yes, I meant registered AWs/preban rifles/federal law minimum length requirements. I went home and measured my side folding AK and it's 27.25" folded, so I'm good to go

And to think, I thought that ugly Tapco side folder mechanism could have been designed smaller and nicer. Perhaps they are build to comply with the OAL laws.

[rg_1111@yahoo.com]

I have a Polish underfolder. I welded a nut to the back of the trunion & took a 5 inch bolt and tac welded it to the nut. My stock folds back and forth no problems.
Send my your email if you want to see a picture.

[redcliff]

This method looks like a very clean and easy way to do it with no welding required

There's a pin that is driven through a hole in the bottom of the receiver that holds the button to the locking ring. You can use a longer pin than the stock one so it sticks out the bottom of the hole in the receiver so you cannot push the button in. It should look similar to this:



Here's a diagram to show you how it all goes together.



More great assembly info can be found at http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK/ak.htm