Register or not

[joepamjohn]

*sigh* yet another reason I want to leave CA. Born and raised here, but Colorado looks mighty nice.

You mean the same Colorado that is considering a similar ban on shotguns, including pumps? Face it, the problem is everywhere.

[joepamjohn]

Illegals are the new push to communistusize red states into blue. Revolution will be the only way & a lot of blood will be spilled to turn the blue back to red!

Go for it dude, I will read about you on the 6 o'clock news.

[Dvrjon]

If my comments gave the impression that I lack respect of law enforcement than that was a false impression driven more by my sense of intimidation than contempt.

My apologies. I didn't mean to bust your chops on that. My point is that the vast majority of law enforcement folks on the street are positive, knowledgeable and honest people. We want to be supportive, but we should not be intimidated into talking. Now you have a new tool in your bag; you don't have to speak. Of course, based on backgrounds and exposure, we all respond differently.

And that's an interesting side note because I can get up in front of a hundred people for a piano recital without feeling a twitch....

And I can get on the same stage without stage fright. But if I'm there for a piano recital, I'm not stepping out, because I've got no tools, or even a tool bag. I'm going to immediately ask, "am I free to go, now?" And get the heck out of there.

[Oceanbob]

It is not against the law (Penal Code) to be verbally evasive or lie to street Cops.

It is against the law to lie to Federal Investigators; ask Martha Stewart about that one.

'Do you have any Guns in your car'?.....No. Am I under arrest officer? Am I free to go?

No officer, I do not consent to a search; am I free to go now?

Learn to say this.

[Gryff]

Just to clarify, he said if the cop will ask you do you have guns in your car, you need to say yes if you have them.

No you don't. You are not legally obligated to answer the question if they are not investigating a crime. It also can be argued that you are not obligated to tell the truth if you do answer (again, if they are not investigating a crime).

Now, the fact that you are entering a shooting range could be used by the cops to argue that they articulated that you had a gun in the car. If they do, they'll probably lose in court, but it's going to cost you legal fees to find out.

[gwgn02]

If the law requires them to be registered then that is what I will do.

You should change your name to just "sheep" :P

[Zenja]

We are definitely entering a new period when guns are going to be illegal,
one way or another, you'll need some guns registered for show and a cache that is hidden, this is unconstitutional, and therefore no law at all, which justifies your cause, but you'll still pay if you get caught,
you may need that cache later so think again about turning in your guns

[gwgn02]

You're driving at 90 in a 55 zone when CHP pulls you over.
Officer: "do you know how fast you were going?
You respond:
A. "I was locked at 90, Officer." Honesty is the best policy, right?
B. "Probably about 75, Sir." Acknowledgment of human error is always helpful. And 75 is better than 90.
C. "How can I help you today, Officer?"

In answers A&B, you have confessed to a violation. You have just written your ticket.
In C, you have responded to the inquiry without incriminating yourself.

"Do you have guns in the car?
A. "Yes, and they are unregistered assault weapons."
B. "No. And you can't search my car without a warrant".
C. "Why have you stopped me today, Officer?" Followed by, "Am I free to go?"

Two issues:
1. What to say to cops. You should follow the law. The law says you don't have to respond. The law does not require you to answer. Don't confess to crimes.
2. Should we register or not. You should follow the law. The law seems to allow you to change the weapon to featureless or requires you to register it. Don't commit crimes.

JR

This

[AK all day]

Would it be legal to remove gas systems and have a "bolt action" AR/AK? No registration??

[Citadelgrad87]

You should change your name to just "sheep" :P

Bs. Big talker. I have a state license that I need to earn a living. These are routinely revoked or suspended for things like DUI.

My license is good only here.

I lose that license, I lose my house, and everything else. It sucks here. I don't want to register. But I did last time and if I have to, I will again.

You go ahead and move your weapons out of state, that's real brave, or hide them and never shoot them or even tell anyone you have them, again, very brave.

I doubt that you intend to keep weapons that the state requires registration of and continue shooting and transporting them without registering. If you do, kudos, that can indeed appear to be brave.

You have no business calling someone a sheep over this issue.

[gwgn02]

Bs. Big talker. I have a state license that I need to earn a living. These are routinely revoked or suspended for things like DUI.

My license is good only here.

I lose that license, I lose my house, and everything else. It sucks here. I don't want to register. But I did last time and if I have to, I will again.

You go ahead and move your weapons out of state, that's real brave, or hide them and never shoot them or even tell anyone you have them, again, very brave.

I doubt that you intend to keep weapons that the state requires registration of and continue shooting and transporting them without registering. If you do, kudos, that can indeed appear to be brave.

You have no business calling someone a sheep over this issue.

Missed the tongue in cheek part Mr. Sensitive. Baahhh

[Citadelgrad87]

Missed the tongue in cheek part Mr. Sensitive. Baahhh

YOU missed my...I meant...

Yeah. I missed it. My apologies.

To me, this is a personal choice. I won't criticize anyone either way, it's not my job to help LE enforce these laws. I have occasionally tipped fellow shooter off to issues with configurations, but wouldn't ever turn anyone in for this.

I went through this with my RAWS. I wanted them, I refused to sell them, and I wasn't going to keep them 800 miles away. I registered them after much soul searching, so far so good.

[Oceanbob]

My thoughts are if the Police are setting up Check Points outside of Shooting Ranges we have already lost our rights.

(This conversation is based on a 'what if' in the future. So far, nothing like this has happened)

In order to enforce such a Check Point the Police would probably run it like a DUI Sobriety Check Point. You leave the gun range and get caught in a line that narrows down to one lane. Dozens of cops dressed in SWAT gear, flashing lights, cars up ahead are parked with the trunks open and several uniformed officers are searching for guns, inspecting your personal belongings, even checking for drugs, alcohol, insurance, current registration, your ID, running gun serial numbers thru their computers..etc.. Just a crazy feeding frenzy of activity. Chase cars, motorcycle cops are swarming around, ready to run after you if you rabbit the line.

Of course the Police, for the most part would be dealing with Sheep who will comply and bend-over. But I can seriously see how a confrontation could happen if they picked the wrong person or persons to harass. Armed persons.

I ask this question. If it becomes common place for these sort of Police searches just outside the gate at a shooting range, how long will it be before the Police just walk into a shooting range, line up and inspect everyones, ID, gun and range bag?

Once word of this sort of activity got out I can see Shooting Ranges going out of business.

Just my opinion.

[cannon]

I see no point in having something I can't use or be arrested for. I am a law abiding citizen and if the law says I have to then I will. I won't like but the alternative of me getting butt raped in prison is not an option for me.

This or store them with an out of state relative where I plan to retire to.

[Gryff]

I went through this with my RAWS. I wanted them, I refused to sell them, and I wasn't going to keep them 800 miles away. I registered them after much soul searching, so far so good.

I wish I had. It's great to own them. It sucks that they are stored hundreds of miles away in a different state, and I'll probably never shoot them again.