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  • golfish
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2013
    • 10111

    Lowers

    Hello to all,
    I'm trying to fill the gunsafe for my son. I know things are crazy these days but it seems that all I have talked to suggest I atleast throw one or two lowers in the safe for him. I have no idea what I'm looking for. I was at Cal Arms today in Ontario doing the paperwork on a new lever gun. They had two lowers in there that I know had to be over priced, 400.00 and 500.00. They wanted 60.00 for 375 rounds of CCI 22 LR.

    I see Ammo Bros has lowers for 200.00...I'm guessing all lowers for sale here in Cal are M4? I don't know anything about em but I'm reading.

    I think heard there was a gun show this weekend in Ontario...what should I be looking for?

    Thanks

    fish
    It takes a lot of balls to play golf the way I do.
    Happiness is a warm gun.

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  • #2
    chillincody
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 2675

    no matter where you look all the prices are gonna be vary high right now so ya either gotta pay the big bucks or wait til the panic dies ... as far as what to look for there all pretty much the same thing just pick one LOL
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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    • #3
      cannon
      In Memoriam
      • Aug 2008
      • 8589

      What is a reasonable price for both parties for a stripped lower with the buttstock on it?
      ^^ Said by some lunatic on the internet

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      • #4
        ChrisBrooklyn
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 1308

        Lowers are dropping in price VERY FAST new stripped can be found in almost any shop for 199. And even cheaper if you walk into turners on the right afternoon (159 for mega) people are selling complete stag bottom halves on the marketplace for 400 which is above retail but fair. If you are patient you won't have any problem paying a fair price for what you want

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        • #5
          chillincody
          Veteran Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 2675

          Originally posted by Dr-Death
          Will 80% lowers work?


          raw ar15 165
          blk or gray ano 185
          jigs 125

          or get
          raw lower and jig $235

          ar10
          raw 260
          blk or gray ano 285
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          well seeing how he wants to give them to his son . 80% would be illegal / pointless he cant mill them out to give to his son (illegal)and if the day ever does come where he needs to register them he cant register a bunch of pieces of metal ........... besides he could find 100% lowers even with these prices for cheaper than a 80% + milling at those prices ....
          Last edited by chillincody; 04-03-2013, 4:43 PM.
          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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          • #6
            USACracer
            Member
            • Mar 2012
            • 123

            PSA 7075 lowers are 119

            In stock at the moment.

            this is the best deal out there I have seen recently, but shipping to a FFL you will pay a larger fee than a in store item, but if you get 2-3 they all go on 1 DROS form so you will save over buying a 199ea.

            A great Idea to have if the price is reasonable, I say under 200 is not bad.

            Also you can get an almost complete lower for 230, just pin onto any upper and go, (but this is a polymer lower)


            The 80% route does not seem like the right path for the OP, Giving a chunk of 7075 to your kid is okay, but not milling to 100% then "here ya go johnny" That would be illegal. Also usually a more expensive route.

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            • #7
              joemama
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 2333

              Couldn't you just serialize the 80% that you made and pass it to your kid legally like any other firearm? Am I missing something here

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              • #8
                WiKDMoNKY
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                • Jan 2011
                • 506

                There is no minimum age for milling an 80% lower, per Roccobro.


                Originally posted by chillincody
                well seeing how he wants to give them to his son . 80% would be illegal / pointless he cant mill them out to give to his son (illegal)and if the day ever does come where he needs to register them he cant register a bunch of pieces of metal ........... besides he could find 100% lowers even with these prices for cheaper than a 80% + milling at those prices ....


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                "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin 1818

                "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." George Washington 1790

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                • #9
                  chillincody
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 2675

                  Originally posted by Dr-Death
                  giving his son an 80% is illegal??
                  how?

                  one day if his "underage" son was grown up....his son could mill them out for him self......Nothing Illegal about it

                  so much for father & Son projects..........
                  too bad there are too many Broken Familys!!!!
                  if you read my post you would see I never said just giving his son a un milled 80% was illegal. I was saying a completed 80% that the father milled for his son would be illegal


                  and yes if his son was grown up and milled it himself it would be legal ,but if I understand the OP he is trying to have something for his son in case rules change. where his son cant buy a ar type rifle one day so what good would a bunch of chunks of metal do him ?? you cant register a un milled 80% or complete it and give to your son can you ??

                  But he could buy a few 100% lowers and gift them to his son now .......
                  Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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                  • #10
                    chillincody
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 2675

                    Originally posted by WiKDMoNKY
                    There is no minimum age for milling an 80% lower, per Roccobro.
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                    yes that might be true but I think it would be hard to argue your 8 month old 2yr old etc kid did the rest of the milling needed to complete it

                    thats just my opinion tho
                    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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                    • #11
                      WiKDMoNKY
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 506

                      A 2yr old could easily press the button on a CNC machine, therefore doing the same thing you or I could. The 8mo old would be a little more tricky.


                      Originally posted by chillincody
                      yes that might be true but I think it would be hard to argue your 8 month old 2yr old etc kid did the rest of the milling needed to complete it

                      thats just my opinion tho


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                      NRA, SAF, GOA GET INVOLVED NOW OR DON'T COMPLAIN LATER!

                      "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin 1818

                      "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." George Washington 1790

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                      • #12
                        Agent 0range
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 1040

                        I'm in a similar situation OP. I just picked up 2 AeroPrecision lowers for my kids just in case they wouldn't be able to buy them themselves for whatever reason. They're in the safe for now until they're old enough to do something with them. My only question is, how to I legally transfer them to my 1 1/2 and 3 y/o's? Would a gun trust or will work?
                        Originally posted by Mezcalfud
                        Because a Glock looks great in the case and then when you take it home it feels like you're holding a Costco pack of Kielbasa.

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                        • #13
                          chillincody
                          Veteran Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 2675

                          Originally posted by Agent 0range
                          I'm in a similar situation OP. I just picked up 2 AeroPrecision lowers for my kids just in case they wouldn't be able to buy them themselves for whatever reason. They're in the safe for now until they're old enough to do something with them. My only question is, how to I legally transfer them to my 1 1/2 and 3 y/o's? Would a gun trust or will work?
                          cant you just build them as long guns and just give them to you son via intra familiy transfer no matter the age ? dont know why you would need to do a trust but putting in your will couldnt hurt IMO
                          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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                          • #14
                            morfeeis
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 7605

                            I'd say buy the lower online before you pay those outrageous prices. Here are a few options.

                            superior-arms stripped lower $129

                            Psa Stripped lower $119

                            New Frontier Armory w/Parts Kit Installed $99 (A polly lower)

                            Norton Firearms AR15 Machined Lower $179 (they say they have them in stock but they don't have a live inventory)

                            New Frontier Armory Stripped Lower Receiver (Polymer)$70 (they do have live inventory and show 173 in stock
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                            • #15
                              Drew Eckhardt
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 1918

                              Originally posted by chillincody
                              yes that might be true but I think it would be hard to argue your 8 month old 2yr old etc kid did the rest of the milling needed to complete it
                              The current ATF standard is starting a CNC mill.

                              Given enough patience that could be a mouse click on a Tormach which takes a lot less strength than pushing a George Jetson sized button on a more industrial machine.
                              Last edited by Drew Eckhardt; 04-04-2013, 1:30 AM.

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