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  • #16
    1911su16b870
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2006
    • 7654

    I will use whatever force is necessary to:
    1. Overcome resistance
    2. Effect an arrest
    3. Prevent escape
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    • #17
      RomanDad
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2008
      • 3478

      Originally posted by PatriotnMore
      You're right, and I appreciate your post.
      I, like others have stated don't go outside with the intent of shooting someone, and I personally would not shoot someone for stealing my property, I would try to stop them however. What I don't want to get caught in, is a situation where I am walking into a gun fight with a stick.
      Agreed... I hear somebody breaking into my car, the wife calls the cops while I grab the gun... My next step is to probably yell at him from INSIDE the safety of my house. 99% of the time, that will do it.

      I may even go out to stop him (which is ALSO within my rights, so long as the level of force I use is appropriate for the situation. It may not, however, be the SMARTEST thing in the world.... The car is insured... And so long as the door is locked HES OUTSIDE AND MY FAMILY IS SAFE and thats all that matters.... Ill light all of my cars on FIRE before I see a member of my family get hurt because I decided to play hero.... But if he tries to do something as stupid and CRAZY as come in the house, hes going to get shot...)
      Last edited by RomanDad; 04-22-2008, 9:27 PM.
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      • #18
        eijjie33
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2008
        • 904

        try to stop them,but if confronted with my life on the line it's better him than me to be 6' under
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i04gCDA-mg

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        • #19
          Uxi
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2008
          • 5155

          When I heard my car alarm going off and saw my door open, damned straight, I grabbed my G21 and went out there. It was for protection, though. As soon as I saw noone there, I went in and put my pistol away and called the Cops. I would most definitely use deadly force in self-defense.
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          • #20
            Vin496
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2008
            • 8804

            I'm curious how it the demographics break down.

            I'm 36 married with 2 boys. When I was in my 20's and single I would have probably grabbed a gun and gone outside.

            Now that I'm older and have a family, I would have to say I would be way more cautious. I'm not going to get my weapon and go outside for a suspicious noise.

            I have way too much to lose now over some material item.

            Again brought inside my home or against my family, all things change.
            I think it can be confirmed that an alien xenomorph is absolutely no match for good ole' Alabama black snake!

            and

            If you're in a survival movie and the hot blond twists her ankle and can't walk, you damn well figure a way to carry her. If it's a dude, you shake his hand and say "best of luck".

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            • #21
              Two Shots
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 2022

              I would help the people load my stuff in thier vehicle, If they don't have one. I'll run down and fill up my truck for them. Then help load my stuff in my truck so they don't hurt thierselves (don't want to get sued) give them a few bucks and wave goodbye as they drive off with my stuff I worked for.

              Now the truth
              Most of the time living in the country,You have all kinds of noise at night. I rarely go out with a weapon other then a 3-cell maglight unless there has been problems in the area. We have 4 big dogs and geese that goes off when a person or animal comes near the property. Then I'll go out with a shotgun or pistol and check to see whats going on.
              I would only use deadly force if it was called for, That would be there choice to make otherwise they can kiss the dirt and wait for the Sherrif Dept.
              Last edited by Two Shots; 04-22-2008, 10:38 PM.
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              • #22
                tombinghamthegreat
                Veteran Member
                • May 2007
                • 2785

                When it comes to lethal force if they break into my house or a self defense situation i shoot to kill, no questions asked. Beyond that it would have to depend on the situation. If someone was sneaking around my yard i would use firearm if needed. Some would say it is wrong to kill someone in self defense over something that is worth $200 but then again that person trying to steal might not have a problem killing a family for $200.
                "Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense." Ron Paul
                "The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite." - Thomas Jefferson
                Originally posted by forumguy
                The same way they enforce all the rest of the BS laws. Only criminals are exempt, while the honest obey.
                Originally posted by bwiese
                Sometimes I think the function of Calguns is half to refute bad info from gunshops and half to refute bad info from DOJ.

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                • #23
                  Bobula
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2007
                  • 9371

                  Unless I know they're unarmed, I will be! I probably will be even if they aren't.

                  Ever heard the saying don't bring a knife to a gun fight? Well don't show up with just a flashlight either.
                  Originally posted by Kestryll
                  Yeah, don't tell that rat bastard Kestryll, he'll shut it down.

                  Fascist pig....

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                  • #24
                    mymonkeyman
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 1049

                    Let me ask you this, should armed police investigate suspicious noises?

                    What if the person runs towards them or pulls out a weapon?

                    The right for police to shoot is not substantially different than the right for you to shoot (the main difference is they can shoot fleeing felons likely to cause harm to others). Also, not every cop has a taser or other less than lethal weapon, so that is not an escape to the problem.

                    Also, the test for self-defense isn't just a belief that you will get killed, but death or great bodily bodily harm. If they pull out an kind of weapon short of pepper spray, then it's time for lethal force. Also, just like cops, you can shoot if they are going after your weapon.
                    The above does not constitute legal advice. I am not your lawyer.

                    "[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table."

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                    • #25
                      dwtt
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 7470

                      If I hear a noise in my back yard, I would first look out the window with the lights out.
                      If I don't see anything, I'll take Mr Remington 1100 with me and see if there's anyone or anything in my yard. What's the point? To determine if my or my family's safety are in immediate danger. If it is, then I start shooting. If not, I'll go back inside and call the cops. That's why I would go outside armed to investigate a noise.

                      I thought this was obvious, but apparently not.

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                      • #26
                        ETD1010
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 1298

                        I wouldn't go running outside with a gun just because I hear a rustle in the bushes. I WILL, however, arm myself and be cautious. My personal property outside isn't worth my life, so unless I can see someone, or figure out that it is indeed a threat (w/o running outside with a gun and flashlight) I'll take the next step. As a few posters have stated, if they start prying at doors, things change. I just don't feel that I'd risk anything by going outside if I don't know how many there would be, etc, etc.

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                        • #27
                          E. Fudd
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 632

                          Originally posted by dwtt
                          If I hear a noise in my back yard, I would first look out the window with the lights out.
                          If I don't see anything, I'll take Mr Remington 1100 with me and see if there's anyone or anything in my yard. What's the point? To determine if my or my family's safety are in immediate danger. If it is, then I start shooting. If not, I'll go back inside and call the cops. That's why I would go outside armed to investigate a noise.

                          I thought this was obvious, but apparently not.
                          Very risky to conduct a one man search outside, alone, with no one to watch your back, imho... You can't watch 360 degrees around by yourself. There could be more than one, they could be hiding, laying in wait to ambush you, shoot or club you from behind, take your weapon, etc. Risky enough even when team tactics are used.

                          Suggest it would be more prudent to stay inside and protect your family. Check out what it is from the inside with the indoor lights out. Light up the backyard with your outdoor lights to verify it isn't just a thieving raccoon or cats having a rendevous or your idiot drunk neighbor stumbling into the wrong back yard by mistake. If it's a trespasser, verbally challenge him and order him to get the h*** off your property, while the Mrs. is calling 911.

                          If he thens tries to break in to your house....

                          Hopefully, he'll run off and you can have the police search for him out in the streets...

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                          • #28
                            Exposed
                            CGSSA Leader
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 1836

                            I wouldnt shoot anyone unless my life is in danger. If an unarmed man is stealing from my garage (and Im sure he is unarmed) I would just beat him to a bloody pulp. However, if he is armed, he just became a live target.


                            Edit: Actually, now that I think about it I would just run away and hide in my closet like a little girl.
                            Last edited by Exposed; 04-23-2008, 9:55 PM.
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                            • #29
                              SFFRONTMAN
                              Vendor/Retailer
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 1531

                              For property other than my house, definitely not. If you come near my family then hell yes.

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                              • #30
                                tenpercentfirearms
                                Vendor/Retailer
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 13007

                                In Kern County we warn them first.

                                "Stop!"

                                Wait a half a second.

                                bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

                                take about 3-4 seconds to reload.

                                bang, bang, bang, bang.

                                Evaluate for threats.

                                Call the cops.

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