AR15 on LEO Motorcycle

[Cobrafreak]

Sac Police BMW Motorcycles have an AR-15 with what looks like a 10 round magazine with the barrel pointed downward. This all stemmed from the Hollywood Bank Robbery Shooting where the cops were unable to take down the perps until they got more firepower.

[edwardfa]

I want to visit Tustin/Irvine and Clovis...pretty bad ***!

[Steve1968LS2]

So who decided that 10 rounds was enough for me to defend myself but not enough for a LEO to do the same?? And I can't call for backup.. lol

[Dustin6st]

Santa barbara has a few bikes with sbr's on the back

[beretta929mm]

Do they get covered when in rain?

[dixieD]

So if they can have these SBRs to defend themselves, why can't we?

Good question.

They don't make contact with the public without having some type of firearm. If it is not safe for them to approach a driver along the side of the road unarmed how is it safe for me to do so to exchange information if need be?

[Tri750]

The BMW mount is pretty slick. It covers the controls, the port, and the mag. There is also a manual key lock and a slick remote release with timer. Many small departments don't have an abundance of personell so a Motor may be on SWAT or part of another unit, or he or she may be working traffic one minute and the next call may be something requiring more firepower. Madera PD just adapted the BMW mount to one of their HD Motors as the M4 mount in the first picture was deemed hideous. After testing, they will likely fit the other HD's with the BMW Mount. There is (or was) one Fresno area Dept. that has an 870 mounted on one side and an M4 on the other, both mounted vertically on the clean BMW PD mount. This was the Motor Sergeants bike. The standard units just had 870's. Useless trivia, sorry.

[Doheny]

Given the choice, would you rather have the rifle in the OP or what she has?:

[Veggie]

Free Eotech and X300 on that Clovis PD bike.

[dieselpower]

Given the choice, would you rather have the rifle in the OP or what she has?:

complete fail there....who ever trained her needs their cert pulled. That weapon has no business in her duties... she would be better off carrying a M82...

[SanPedroShooter]

All the motor cops in Palos Verders (uber rich city south of LA) have AR's on their bikes.

Nice ones too, rails, magpul etc.... At least as nice as mine. Semi Auto too.

I always assumed it made sense, because they could get places faster than other second responders in cars. Most of the south bay cities have shotguns and AR's in car racks.

I seem to recall the mount set up pointing the barrel at the back tire... Its been awhile since I've seen one.

[BigStiCK]

complete fail there....who ever trained her needs their cert pulled. That weapon has no business in her duties... she would be better off carrying a M82...

Why?
As a cop, I'm all for an effective means to increase firepower. That 4.6mm round will penetrate body armor. Is similar in capability to .223/5.56.

Motor Officers dont have a whole lotta room to carry a battle rifle. The MP7 can fit in a Motorcycle saddlebag/ remain out of view of the public, be protected from the elements, but still be put into service at a moments notice.

Why is that a bad thing?

[dieselpower]

Why?
As a cop, I'm all for an effective means to increase firepower. That 4.6mm round will penetrate body armor. Is similar in capability to .223/5.56.

Motor Officers dont have a whole lotta room to carry a battle rifle. The MP7 can fit in a Motorcycle saddlebag/ remain out of view of the public, be protected from the elements, but still be put into service at a moments notice.

Why is that a bad thing?

That firearm has a specific purpose and its not what she is using it for. A carbine can be carried just as easily and has a greater capability then that weapon. Its a foolish weapon for her to carry.

That firearm/weapon has almost NO advantage over a 5.56 or 7.62 carbine and doesnt have any similar capability as you state. If you think that then you should have no problem with her carrying a M82A1 then... as I first said. Doesn't a 50 cal have the power to defeat body armor...... isnt the M82A1 semiauto just like an AR15...

Whats the effective range of that weapon? Can she hit a target 100 yards away who is taking cover? Whats the accuracy of that weapon past 100 yards? Does that weapon give her an advantage over a threat who is using a carbine at a range greater then 50 yards...say 250 yards away behind a car...NO! Is her job to clear rooms? She has nearly no chance of hitting a target that far and the threat has a greater chance to hit her since she has to expose herself to the threat with any firearm...this is why she is deploying a primary weapon system above a sidearm.... and thats her choice

Please explain the situation that she is in where that weapon is necessary AND is advisable over an AR15 carbine/SBR. This isnt Israel. Our LEO have specific requirements in their jobs and duties.

That weapon choice will get her killed in a situation where she needs to deploy a primary weapon system over a sidearm. Whoever trained her is a freaking idiot if she thinks that weapon system is acceptable. Its not her fault...its her departments trainer at fault.

She is canon-fodder with that firearm....she's a noise maker distracting the threat at best. If that weapon is useful, then her sidearm is aswell.

Sure it has a longer range and hits a bit harder then a sidearm...but its a baby step over a sidearm. Its specific use is for tight close quarters fighting inside a building, room by room clearing.

[therealnickb]

Does LE get into many/any 100yd + engagements?

[dieselpower]

Does LE get into many/any 100yd + engagements?

very very few, but its possible. The idea here is an Officer needs to deploy a greater weapon system then a sidearm. That weapon system needs to be acceptable to the role they will provide.

LEO carry a sidearm as a primary weapon system for daily use in defense. They also need to carry an OFFENSIVE weapon system such as a carbine. Some carry defensive / Utility weapon systems like shotguns and sniper rifles since their duties and roles define those weapon systems as needed.

The firearm she is deploying is not one in which a cycle officer will provide to the group. Its effectiveness is nearly zero for the situation where she will need a primary over a sidearm.