private party transfer between states?

[Rainbow Bullets]

hi im new to buying guns and was wondering if its a good idea to do a private party transfer between states, and how to avoid being scammed, and i would like to know what i need to do to get a firearm from an out of state private party

[NikePenguin]

The better way to avoid being scammed is to purchase from a LGS or face-to-face from a private party (in CA law, PPT is defined as a face-to-face transfer between two CA residents).

Are you only new to buying guns or new to guns as well? If new to guns, I also recommend finding someone that will help you shop.

There are a lot of complexities to buying from out-of-state that I am too lazy to attempt to address. Sorry! If you are trying to save money by doing such a transfer, be aware that FFL fees can make saving money difficult.

[bongfoo]

don't mean to thread-jack but i'll chime in a question a long these lines as well...

what if say your a resident of california visiting a state that does not require a DROS for PPT face to face. would it be legal to purchase a firearm from someone and bring it home with you?

[NikePenguin]

don't mean to thread-jack but i'll chime in a question a long these lines as well...

what if say your a resident of california visiting a state that does not require a DROS for PPT face to face. would it be legal to purchase a firearm from someone and bring it home with you?

No.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=503873

[Quiet]

Gun Control Act of 1968

For about 45 years now, Federal laws have prohibited the transfer of firearms between residents of different states, unless the transfer is done through a FFL dealer in the recipient's state of residence.

Therefore, in order to comply with Federal laws as a CA resident...
If you are buying out-of-state, the firearm must be transferred through a CA FFL dealer.
If you are selling out-of-state, the firearm must be transferred through a FFL dealer in the state the buyer is located in.

There is no gift exemption to the Federal laws.
There is a bequest/inheritance exemption, but it requires the giver to be dead.
There is a loan for sporting purpose exemption, but it requires the firearm remain in the owner's state of residence.

Not using a FFL dealer, means a Federal felony for the person transferring (sell/give/loan/etc) and a Federal felony for the person receiving.

[Rainbow Bullets]

The better way to avoid being scammed is to purchase from a LGS or face-to-face from a private party (in CA law, PPT is defined as a face-to-face transfer between two CA residents).

Are you only new to buying guns or new to guns as well? If new to guns, I also recommend finding someone that will help you shop.

There are a lot of complexities to buying from out-of-state that I am too lazy to attempt to address. Sorry! If you are trying to save money by doing such a transfer, be aware that FFL fees can make saving money difficult.

Thanks nikepeinguin i am not new to guns im just new to purchasing them, i am buying a python from miami that i found on armslist and just wanted to see if their were any things to look out for when buying guns online

[Rainbow Bullets]

For about 45 years now, Federal laws have prohibited the transfer of firearms between residents of different states, unless the transfer is done through a FFL dealer in the recipient's state of residence.

Therefore, in order to comply with Federal laws as a CA resident...
If you are buying out-of-state, the firearm must be transferred through a CA FFL dealer.
If you are selling out-of-state, the firearm must be transferred through a FFL dealer in the state the buyer is located in.

There is no gift exemption to the Federal laws.
There is a bequest/inheritance exemption, but it requires the giver to be dead.
There is a loan for sporting purpose exemption, but it requires the firearm remain in the owner's state of residence.

Not using a FFL dealer, means a Federal felony for the person transferring (sell/give/loan/etc) and a Federal felony for the person receiving.

Thanks Quiet this information is very helpful

[sapro]

Thanks nikepeinguin i am not new to guns im just new to purchasing them, i am buying a python from miami that i found on armslist and just wanted to see if their were any things to look out for when buying guns online

You'll need to have it shipped to a CA FFL that does and has a SSE kit for that python. Each FFL that does SSE sets their own price. On top of that you'll pay a transfer fee (the sky's the limit as to what the FFL can charge) and sales tax.

[SonofWWIIDI]

Hypothetical, my friend who lives out of state has an extra stripped lower (OLL, not prohibited by name in California), if he brings it to me in California, through an FFL, can we do an FTF interstate transfer? And, any idea what the fee might be?

Sorry if this has already been answered, but I'm having trouble finding where the answer might be!

Thanks

[Quiet]

Hypothetical, my friend who lives out of state has an extra stripped lower (OLL, not prohibited by name in California), if he brings it to me in California, through an FFL, can we do an FTF interstate transfer? And, any idea what the fee might be?

1. The CA FFL dealer that you will be using needs to accept a "shipment" from a non-FFL.
CA FFL dealers that only accept shipments from FFLs only, do not accept hand delivered shipments from non-residents. Which is why you need to use a CA FFL dealer that accepts shipments from non-FFLs.

2. The CA FFL dealer can legally charge any amount of money to facilitate this transfer.
Since, the other party is a non-resident, this is not a PPT and there is no legal limit to what the dealer can charge. Prices can range from $60-250. So, you need to shop around for a good CA FFL dealer with reasonable rates.

[SonofWWIIDI]

1. The CA FFL dealer that you will be using needs to accept a "shipment" from a non-FFL.
CA FFL dealers that only accept shipments from FFLs only, do not accept hand delivered shipments from non-residents. Which is why you need to use a CA FFL dealer that accepts shipments from non-FFLs.

2. The CA FFL dealer can legally charge any amount of money to facilitate this transfer.
Since, the other party is a non-resident, this is not a PPT and there is no legal limit to what the dealer can charge. Prices can range from $60-250. So, you need to shop around for a good CA FFL dealer with reasonable rates.

Thanks for the info.