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  • Santa Cruz Armory
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 4357

    Ruger P91 Questions

    So... I have a P91DC that I love.

    Question #1

    I have a bunch of 11 round mags. Does Ruger or anyone else make higher capacity mags for the P91?

    Question #2

    Can I just change the barrel, slide and mags to change calibers like to 9mm or .45? Are the frames interchangeable?

    Thanks!

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    mymonkeyman
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 1049

    I don't know why you would be interested in acquiring magazines over 10 rounds in California unless you are an LEO, since it wouldn't be legal. To answer the question though, I think the only choices are Pro-Mag, which makes compatible 12 and 20 round magazines (the 20 would stick out of the well quite a bit since it was made for a PC4).

    As to Question 2, I am pretty sure the answer is no.
    Last edited by mymonkeyman; 04-04-2008, 12:58 AM.
    The above does not constitute legal advice. I am not your lawyer.

    "[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table."

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    • #3
      Santa Cruz Armory
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 4357

      Originally posted by mymonkeyman
      I don't know why you would be interested in acquiring magazines over 10 rounds in California unless you are an LEO, since it wouldn't be legal. To answer the question though, I think the only choices are Pro-Mag, which makes compatible 12 and 20 round magazines (the 20 would stick out of the well quite a bit since it was made for a PC4).

      As to Question 2, I am pretty sure the answer is no.

      I already own a bunch of >10 round mags. I was just looking for higher capacity magazines. I wouldn't be adding any additional mags, just replacing the current ones I have. The number of assembled high caps I own wouldn't change.

      I know I can replace the current mags I have, I just couldn't find anywhere that sold more than 10 rounders.

      As for question #2, I was hoping the frame was the same for the 9mm, .45 and the .40 as I'd like to have the option to shoot other calibers.

      Thanks for the info.
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      • #4
        mymonkeyman
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 1049

        Originally posted by BLFD1
        I already own a bunch of >10 round mags. I was just looking for higher capacity magazines. I wouldn't be adding any additional mags, just replacing the current ones I have. The number of assembled high caps I own wouldn't change.

        I know I can replace the current mags I have, I just couldn't find anywhere that sold more than 10 rounders.

        As for question #2, I was hoping the frame was the same for the 9mm, .45 and the .40 as I'd like to have the option to shoot other calibers.

        Thanks for the info.
        You can repair large-capacity magazines, as long as you only import parts to repair them, but you can't "replace" old large-capacity magazines with new ones. The whole concept of not increasing the number of large-capacity magazines you own has nothing to do with the statute. The statute criminalizes the act of one who "manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine."

        Now the statute doesn't prohibit repairing, as confirmed by the CA DOJ, and there is a gray area about the degree to which one can repair an existent magazine before one has manufactured a new magazine. Going to a larger capacity magazine would require replacing at least the magazine body and spring. It would be incredulous to argue that you are just repairing your old undamaged 11-round magazine and not manufacturing a new 20-round magazine.
        The above does not constitute legal advice. I am not your lawyer.

        "[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table."

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        • #5
          Santa Cruz Armory
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2006
          • 4357

          Point taken. "Replace" may have been the wrong term.

          I could still be using some of my old parts (follower, floor plate) I mean high cap is high cap right? 11 rds or 32 rds... it shouldn't matter. I could be wrong?

          Originally posted by mymonkeyman
          You can repair large-capacity magazines, as long as you only import parts to repair them, but you can't "replace" old large-capacity magazines with new ones. The whole concept of not increasing the number of large-capacity magazines you own has nothing to do with the statute. The statute criminalizes the act of one who "manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine."

          Now the statute doesn't prohibit repairing, as confirmed by the CA DOJ, and there is a gray area about the degree to which one can repair an existent magazine before one has manufactured a new magazine. Going to a larger capacity magazine would require replacing at least the magazine body and spring. It would be incredulous to argue that you are just repairing your old undamaged 11-round magazine and not manufacturing a new 20-round magazine.
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          • #6
            DHiggmo
            Member
            • Mar 2006
            • 189

            I think that if yours is a 11 round Hi-cap you can get a two or three round floor plat. The problem is finding one for a Ruger. If you managed to find one, it will stick out the bottom of the mag-well.

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            • #7
              s2000news
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 995

              I guess I was wrong... my understanding is the importation is the illegal part, not the owning of the mag.

              You can import any mag parts, a full parts kit to build a mag from it, but you had to destroy the old 'replaced' mag. The import of a built hi cap mag is illegal. The total hi cap mags can not increase with what you order.

              Yes / No ?
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              • #8
                Santa Cruz Armory
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2006
                • 4357

                Originally posted by s2000news
                I guess I was wrong... my understanding is the importation is the illegal part, not the owning of the mag.

                You can import any mag parts, a full parts kit to REPAIR a mag from it, but you had to destroy the old 'replaced' mag. The import of a built hi cap mag is illegal. The total # OF BUILT hi cap mags can not increase with what you order.

                Yes / No ?
                I fixed a couple things up there for ya.

                Yes, I think I'm reading that right. Of course you have to had owned those high/ standard cap mags prior to 1/1/2000. And you are not obligated to destroy your old parts.

                God! our laws are ridiculous !
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                • #9
                  mymonkeyman
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 1049

                  Originally posted by s2000news
                  I guess I was wrong... my understanding is the importation is the illegal part, not the owning of the mag.

                  You can import any mag parts, a full parts kit to build a mag from it, but you had to destroy the old 'replaced' mag. The import of a built hi cap mag is illegal. The total hi cap mags can not increase with what you order.

                  Yes / No ?
                  Importing is only one of the banned acts, the statute says "manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends." If you buy a parts kit for a magazine and then assemble it, you have illegally manufactured a large-capacity magazine. The statue says nothing about a "total hi cap mags" number. The only issue is what activity falls within legitimate repair v. felonious manufacturing. If at one sit-down you "repair" an undamaged large-capacity magazine by replacing 100% of its parts with new parts from a parts kit made from a new large-capacity magazine, you are likely manufacturing a large-capacity magazine and therefore breaking the law.
                  The above does not constitute legal advice. I am not your lawyer.

                  "[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table."

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                  • #10
                    Santa Cruz Armory
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 4357

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                    Originally posted by BLFD1
                    So... I have a P91DC that I love.

                    Question #1

                    I have a bunch of 11 round mags. Does Ruger or anyone else make higher capacity mags for the P91?

                    Question #2

                    Can I just change the barrel, slide and mags to change calibers like to 9mm or .45? Are the frames interchangeable?

                    Thanks!

                    WWW.SANTACRUZARMORY.COM

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