US Airways Pilot ND

[drclark]

Wonder if this will impact the armed-pilots program

http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/wcnc-032308-sjf-gunonplane.1c4cabd1.html

Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight 5:39 PM

05:32 PM EDT on Sunday, March 23, 2008

By DIANA RUGG / WCNC
E-mail Diana: DRugg@wcnc.comdrugg@wcnc.com.

I am fairly certain that someone was doing something stupid at the time, however we'll probably never hear the full story.

drc

[aplinker]

Is this the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbYUnB-MXd0

[USN CHIEF]

Is this the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbYUnB-MXd0

You got to give him credit... He is good at doing it

Back to the Airline pilot.. What an idiot He was definately doing something he was not supposed to do...

2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot

[Linh]

I'm guessing "show and tell" to a hot flight attendant.

[AJAX22]

Bet y'all a nickle it was a glock

[aplinker]

I'm guessing "show and tell" to a hot flight attendant.

Have you seen flight attendants lately?

(No offense, Rachel )

[Cpl. Haas]

Bet y'all a nickle it was a glock

A commercial pilot buddy of mine told me the FFDO issue weapon is an HK USP... he wasn't sure of the caliber though since he had yet to undergo training.

[packnrat]

Is this the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbYUnB-MXd0

why do knegrows have to sware and bad mouth cops in there songs??




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[Patriot]

Is this the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbYUnB-MXd0

Not to sidetrack this thread too much, but that video reminds me of Doc Holliday and the teacup in Tombstone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwEIkXMfL1E (start watching at 2:10)

I am fairly certain that someone was doing something stupid at the time, however we'll probably never hear the full story

Probably not, as it would jeopardize the whole "feel safe" thing the airlines have going

[robitrocks]

A commercial pilot buddy of mine told me the FFDO issue weapon is an HK USP... he wasn't sure of the caliber though since he had yet to undergo training.

They're given an option of Glock, HK or Sig. FFDO pilots are not allowed to leave the cockpit without the weapon in the lockbox. I'm not saying the US Airways pilot didn't screw up but maybe if he didn't have to put his sidearm in a lunchbox everytime he needs to take a dump... Psh. I don't know. He's still an idiot for having a ND.

[Cpl. Haas]

I'm not saying the US Airways pilot didn't screw up but maybe if he didn't have to put his sidearm in a lunchbox everytime he needs to take a dump...

Reminds me of when I was a police cadet back in high school...

The department I worked for carried UMP-45s in each cruiser, so whenever I had to take a patrol car out the original policy was "no-touchy the submachine guns". Then after an incident involving another cadet and a high school dance (long story), the policy changed to the effect of "all cadets must remove, unload, and secure the UMP before taking a patrol car out".

As a result, my handling of the guns went up about 90%!

[E Pluribus Unum]

Bet y'all a nickle it was a glock

Might I assume that this statement is somehow aimed to infer that Glock's are less safe than a firearm with a traditional safety?

If so, that is rediculous. I prefer Glock because it doesn't have all that "crap".

Its more stuff to get in the way of going "boom" when I need it to. Proper training and common sense averts trouble. No Glock has ever discharged without the trigger being pulled.

[Suvorov]

They're given an option of Glock, HK or Sig. FFDO pilots are not allowed to leave the cockpit without the weapon in the lockbox. I'm not saying the US Airways pilot didn't screw up but maybe if he didn't have to put his sidearm in a lunchbox everytime he needs to take a dump... Psh. I don't know. He's still an idiot for having a ND.

AFAIK, we do not get a choice, it is the HK compact with DAO trigger. It would be nice if the Sig is an option. It may be a very new things but all I have encountered are HKs. The sad thing is that there are quite a few FFDOs out there who I don't feel comfortable with. Cocky little kids who didn't do the military but still want to pack heat. My company has and the union has just requested that probation pilots (less than one year with the company) not attend FFDO training due to some disciplinary issues that have come up. We have at least one FFDO that I have reprimanded that falls into this category. I couldn't be a bigger supporter of the FFDO program at all, but as much as I hate to admit it, there needs to be some oversight.

[halifax]

You got to give him credit... He is good at doing it

Back to the Airline pilot.. What an idiot He was definately doing something he was not supposed to do...

2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot

This contraption might help to explain things.

TSA may be partly to blame if this is true

[robitrocks]

AFAIK, we do not get a choice, it is the HK compact with DAO trigger. It would be nice if the Sig is an option. It may be a very new things but all I have encountered are HKs. The sad thing is that there are quite a few FFDOs out there who I don't feel comfortable with. Cocky little kids who didn't do the military but still want to pack heat. My company has and the union has just requested that probation pilots (less than one year with the company) not attend FFDO training due to some disciplinary issues that have come up. We have at least one FFDO that I have reprimanded that falls into this category. I couldn't be a bigger supporter of the FFDO program at all, but as much as I hate to admit it, there needs to be some oversight.

Did some more current research, and I stand corrected. Pilots in the FFDO program carry HKs. I got my info from a couple years ago when the TSA first approved the program. Hope you pilots can get some changes to the program.