Need a clarification on POR

[ruchik]

So I have finally moved out into my own place. The problem is, the address on my DL does not match my new residence. I do have a copy of the residential lease, however, as my POR, that will match the residence I put into the DROs form. I used this same POR when I purchased a gun at Valkyrie Arms months ago with no hiccups.

Here's my question. I am having a gun shipped over to Metal Dog Tactical in the coming weeks, and checking out their webpage, it says if the address on the DL is not my current one, then I will have to use a government issued form as POR. My DL address and POR address do not match. Will I be running into a problem here? The bills are paid by my landlord, and I do not have anything government issued with my current address on it.

[Josh3239]

Your drivers license and POR must match. If the CDL is incorrect, that government ID must be replaced with a new government ID or document. Some CDL correction type ID's or documents will both correct your CDL and act as a POR. Such as a government owned utility company bill, vehicle registration, guard card, pilot's license, or some type of permit/license issued by a government body that shows your address, name, and an expiration date.

There are other types that do not act as both. For instance, if your CDL is incorrect but your POR is correct but not government issued you can go to the DMV and get one of two things, number one is an ID card or number two is an information request printout ($5). Make sure of those two things matches your second POR. Both of these two items will correct an incorrect CDL and since issued from the DMV are government issued.

[Sakiri]

I was under the impression that the lease works as proof of residence. The DL is just proof of identity.

I can't see why they'd need the proof of residency be a government document. Utilities aren't usually government owned, so the bill wouldn't be a government document either.

Or, just call them instead of relying on the website.

[Sakiri]

Your drivers license and POR must match. If the CDL is incorrect, that government ID must be replaced with a new government ID or document. Some CDL correction type ID's or documents will both correct your CDL and act as a POR. Such as a government owned utility company bill, vehicle registration, guard card, pilot's license, or some type of permit/license issued by a government body that shows your address, name, and an expiration date.

There are other types that do not act as both. For instance, if your CDL is incorrect but your POR is correct but not government issued you can go to the DMV and get one of two things, number one is an ID card or number two is an information request printout ($5). Make sure of those two things matches your second POR. Both of these two items will correct an incorrect CDL and since issued from the DMV are government issued.

I've heard contradiction to this.

Driver's license is proof of identity. All it's doing is proving you are who you say you are.

If they were using it as proof you lived here, they wouldn't require proof of residency as well, which is what they were asking about. I ran with a PA state ID for a few years after I left the state for ID purchasing tobacco and alcohol, and was not a resident of the state. It has a picture that matches my look and a name that matches mine.

I've also been told a number of times that the DMV address change card does NOT work for ANYTHING.

[ruchik]

This is why I am confused. I was also under the impression that the DL only establishes age and identity, not residency. Otherwise, as Sakiri says, they wouldn't need additional proof of residency.

As I've mentioned, I've used my DL with my old address on it, and my POR with my current address on it (which matches the address I put on the DROS) at Valkyrie Arms with no problems. The way Metal Dog Tactical words their policy, though, gives me pause.

*Update to anyone who's interested:

According to Metal Dog Tactical and Target Masters West, if the address on your POR and DL do not match, the easiest way to fix the problem is to go to the DMV, fill out a DMV Driving Record History (I believe it's form INF 1125)for $5 that has your current address on it, and you're good to go. You can change your address online, it's free, and takes about 2 minutes.

[Bw511]

Just ran into this myself minutes ago. My DL shows a PO Box, as does my registration. On the phone with Discount Gun Mart, I was told that a utility bill would be fine for second form of ID, because the registration does not show address, but when I told them that my DL also shows the PO Box, I was told that proof of residency needs to be a government-issued document.

The guy was very helpful, and said I just needed to get DMV to add my physical address to my registration.

However, per the Attorney General's Website:

What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?

All firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a licensed dealer under the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) process. California imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a buyer or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To buy a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age, and either 1) possess an HSC plus successfully complete a safety demonstration with the handgun being purchased or 2) qualify for an HSC exemption.

As part of the DROS process, the buyer must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. A military identification accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California is also acceptable.

If the buyer is not a U.S. Citizen, then he or she is required to demonstrate that he or she is legally within the United States by providing to the firearms dealer with documentation that contains his/her Alien Registration Number or I-94 Number.

Purchasers of handguns are also required to provide proof of California residency, such as a utility bill, residential lease, property deed, or government-issued identification (other than a drivers license or other DMV-issued identification).

(PC Section 12071)

Does somebody have their facts mixed up, or am I missing something? Is there something here that's open to interpretation, or a CYA on the part of the FFL?