questions about the legality about registering an AR-15 and having a curved foregrip

[loekanle]

I have an 80% lower that has been demilled i was thinking about turning it into a AR-15 pistol somebody told me that I don't have to register a an AR-15 pistol if I don't want to, it is not required

is this true?

his argument was that registered weapons can very much lead to confiscation, I have personally experienced it

and plus trying to get a serial number engrave on the 80% lower is going to be a hassle

Also would I legally be able to have this unique foregrip on my AR-15, the fore grip is from an Agram 2000 and is curved. the law prohibits vertical fore-grips what about curved fore-grips which would be fused to the Pistol making it non-attachable?

http://nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=157&group_id=4&country_id=56&lang=0

plus I have been out of the loop so I don't know what the current gun laws are in 2013

So anybody have any opinions or factual evidence to refute my idea?

[dieselpower]

lots going on here..

1) an 80% lower is a paperweight, not a firearm, not a demilled firearm. Its only a firearm when you finish it.

2) making a AR15 pistol is just like making any pistol. there is a thread on it in the homebuilders / Gunsmiths forum.

3) There are laws about semi-automatic pistols with magazines outside of the pistolgrip.... You need to read and understand ALL THOSE laws before venturing into those waters.

[loekanle]

1. sorry i finish it and the lower is 100%
2. were you talking about this http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=86627
if not can you provide link please to the 17 power

[dieselpower]

thats pretty much as good as any if you read the whole thread. Research anything that doesnt read right to you until it does...LOL

I am not sure of the legalities of an 80% AR15 lower, that was used as a rifle, being made into a pistol.

If there is any information saying this was a rifle, then it can NOT be a pistol. Thats all I am going to say on that. The most it can be is a Short Barreled Rifle without the proper documentation...it can never be a pistol.

[Quiet]

I have an 80% lower that has been demilled i was thinking about turning it into a AR-15 pistol somebody told me that I don't have to register a an AR-15 pistol if I don't want to, it is not required

is this true?

his argument was that registered weapons can very much lead to confiscation, I have personally experienced it

and plus trying to get a serial number engrave on the 80% lower is going to be a hassle

Per Federal and CA laws, you are not required to register any firearm that you have built.

Some people recommend registering home built AR type pistols, in order to ease any law enforcement interaction (if it's registered to you, then the cops will think it's legal and not hassle you about it).

If you do register it, certain info will need to be engraved onto the firearm.
Federal laws/regulations mandate that the engraving be a certain height/depth and must include the maker's name, city & state where the firearm was made, firearm's model designation, firearm's serial number and firearm's caliber.

The engravings can be done the same type you finish the "80%" into an actual receiver and before you anodize the receiver.

Also would I legally be able to have this unique foregrip on my AR-15, the fore grip is from an Agram 2000 and is curved. the law prohibits vertical fore-grips what about curved fore-grips which would be fused to the Pistol making it non-attachable?

http://nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=157&group_id=4&country_id=56&lang=0

So anybody have any opinions or factual evidence to refute my idea?

Per Federal laws/regulations, it is not legal to have a vertical forward grip on a Title 1 handgun.

Because the grip in the link can be grasped like a vertical pistol grip, it would not be legal to install it on a Title 1 handgun.

Doing so would create a Title 2 AOW and making/possessing an unregistered Title 2 AOW is a Federal felony (10 years in prison + $100,000 fine).

In order to legally make a Title 2 AOW, you will need BATFE approval.
Which would require the your info engraved onto the receiver and the firearm being registered with the BATFE.

[Quiet]

Grip in the link is similar to this AK forward vertical grip.

[Write Winger]

At first all forward grips were a no no. Then the angled forward grip got approval from the ATF that it was ok to use without violating NFA laws or registering the pistol as an AOW. I don't believe these circle ones have been run up the food chain, maybe someone should write them a letter to see if they'll allow it.

Until then I'd say don't put it on a pistol.

[Quiet]

At first all forward grips were a no no. Then the angled forward grip got approval from the ATF that it was ok to use without violating NFA laws or registering the pistol as an AOW. I don't believe these circle ones have been run up the food chain, maybe someone should write them a letter to see if they'll allow it.

Until then I'd say don't put it on a pistol.

BATFE NFA Branch has long held that it is illegal to have a vertical forward grip on a Title 1 handgun and it is legal to have a horizontal forward grip on a Title 1 handgun.

They recently stated that it was legal to have an angled forward grip (Magpul AFG) on a Title 1 handgun.

They also still hold that a forward grip that can be grasped similar to a pistol grip is a vertical forward grip, which is not legal on a Title 1 handgun.