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  • Synergy
    I need a LIFE!!
    • May 2008
    • 14303

    How does stance effect your aim? Weaver vs Isosceles...Updated...

    So I am a bit confused. My whole life I have shot in a Weaver stance. It was taught to me as a kid. A few times in the past years I have tried Isosceles, never really felt good with it. So I revert back to Weaver. Been hitting the range a lot recently and my groupings have been decent, shooting constantly at 7 yards. I feel I kinda plateaued. I wasn't seeing much improvement. So yesterday I hit the range: same gun, same ammo, same target and distance. With my first 2 mags, I took Isosceles fired steady pace slighter more than 1 rd/sec and this is what I got:



    Much tighter groups than I was getting in Weaver. I have been reading articles on the stances and still perplexed on how just the stance has changed my aim. Anyone else experience this just from changing stance? I think I may be sticking to Isosceles.
    Last edited by Synergy; 01-05-2013, 6:16 PM.
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    AE102
    Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 223

    I like to shoot in CAR system for HD unless I have a straight view of the intruder. Never know who's around the corner to grab/smack your gun off your hand At the range I usually shoot weaver.

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    • #3
      FourLoko
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 2426

      it's not about aim, it's about mitigating recoil

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      • #4
        Untamed1972
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Mar 2009
        • 17579

        Originally posted by FourLoko
        it's not about aim, it's about mitigating recoil
        ^^^^This^^^^^ which then translates into reaquiring sight picture faster for faster follow-up shots.

        But overall I think it's good to practice and be good in many different stances because in the real world.....you may not always be able to get into a perfect stance when you need to take a shot.
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        • #5
          nrvnqsrxk
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 983

          What stance changes is how your body handles the recoil impulse. It's either distributed efficiently or it isn't, dependent on body type and whether skeletal support is utilized.

          How you aim is dependent on who taught you, and how often you practice.

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          • #6
            shooting4life
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2009
            • 5768

            Just focus on sight picture and trigger control.

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            • #7
              Yehosha
              Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 433

              Personally I don't think either affects your aim on targets directly in front of you, but targets to the side will be affected by using the Weaver stance. Here's a short video that demonstrates this a little bit.

              "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." Thomas Jefferson

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              • #8
                morfeeis
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2010
                • 7605

                By any chance did you use one eye more during Weaver then you did with Isosceles or vice versa?
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                • #9
                  Bill I Am
                  Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 221

                  I am dominant eye cross-eyed. That means that I...along with 10 percent of the people out there, have a left eye dominant and I am right handed.

                  Awhile back I was lucky enough to meet up with a fellow Calgunner that was at Angeles range. He saw me shoot just a couple of times with the Weaver stance and he said, "You are cross eyed dominant huh?". It was that obvious. He said, "Go with the Isosceles, you will find it easier".

                  I did and he was right! For me anyway, it helps a LOT with the sight picture.
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                  • #10
                    Supertac916
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 2423

                    Originally posted by shooting4life
                    Just focus on sight picture and trigger control.
                    +1 Slow squeeze straight back and find the sear reset in each of your guns. Front sight should end up in the same exact spot after the recoil.

                    Personally, I shoot the same no matter what stance I'm using.

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                    • #11
                      morfeeis
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 7605

                      Originally posted by Bill I Am
                      I am dominant eye cross-eyed. That means that I...along with 10 percent of the people out there, have a left eye dominant and I am right handed.

                      Awhile back I was lucky enough to meet up with a fellow Calgunner that was at Angeles range. He saw me shoot just a couple of times with the Weaver stance and he said, "You are cross eyed dominant huh?". It was that obvious. He said, "Go with the Isosceles, you will find it easier".

                      I did and he was right! For me anyway, it helps a LOT with the sight picture.
                      That's what i was thinking.
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                      • #12
                        Coolguy101
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 655

                        Weaver is very limited.

                        What they didn't mention in the video is isosceles allows you to shoot barricades from either side easier, and "cut the pie."

                        They did mention body armor, but also from a combat medicine point of view, its far easier for emergency personel to treat a gunshow wound that is thru and thru vs. if you "blade" yourslef and take a round in the chest. You will get both of your lungs and your heart blown out the other side of you vs. possibly just having one organ damaged.

                        A gunshot wound to the chest is no joke, but if you are hit, every advantage you can gain is critical. Any stance that presents the most possible damage to vital organs with one shot should never be used.

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                        • #13
                          Hopalong
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 2436

                          I think it has more to do with if you happen to be "on" that particular day

                          Kind of like a basketball player being in a "zone"

                          Some days I'm really good, some days, not so good

                          I never blame the gun, or the stance

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                          • #14
                            enzo357
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 559

                            Grip, sight picture, and trigger control. Prone, knee, iso, weaver, all will work just fine as long as the the three components are there.

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                            • #15
                              enzo357
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 559

                              Grip, sight picture, and trigger control. Prone, knee, iso, weaver, all will work just fine as long as the the three components are there.

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