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  • patrickcondon22
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 29

    Rifle cleaning

    Just curious how many patches it takes you guys to get your barrels clean. It seems like I can run a hundred down my barrel and still have a little discoloration. Maybe I'm just not doing it right, but I don't see how different the process can be. I'm using an OTIS ar/msr cleaning kit so I am only pulling one patch at a time through the barrel. Starting to wish I could wad up a couple patches and push them through with a rod now. I would give me some much needed friction to aid in cleaning.

    Any thoughts or advice?
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    CSACANNONEER
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    • Dec 2006
    • 44094

    Over/improper cleaning of a barrel will damage it more than neglecting to clean it.

    Yea, get a rod and some jags. The Otis system is OK for what it is but, I'd never rely on it for a real cleaning. Also, it sounds like you may want to use a better carbon cleaner and a better copper fouling cleaner. It should only take 10-20 patches to get a dirty QUALITY barrel clean. If you have a cheaply made barrel, you might never be able to get it completely clean.
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    • #3
      TheExiled
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      • Jan 2012
      • 2933

      Depends on how many rounds fired. Try soaking it for a few min with a good solvent before
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      • #4
        SB1964
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2012
        • 4876

        I use the Otis System also, but use a Dewey Rod & keep The Chamber Clean, this is OFTEN Overlooked. I feel that a lot of Contaminates come from the Chamber & close to it. Ill use as many Patches as it takes but it`s usually only 5 or 6. One thing I learned is to use Bore Cleaner (whatever you use) & let it soak for a bit while Cleaning everything else. Makes a BIG difference. If you need countless Patches, your Bore/Chamber is FOULED. Start from the beginning & get it really Clean!
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        • #5
          patrickcondon22
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2012
          • 29

          I've got a black hole weaponry stainless steel barrel, and I'm using breakfree CLP as my cleaner. I also have some hoppe's copper solvent as well. When I use the CLP I usually soak down the barrel and then let that sit while I clean my bolt. I suppose I need to work on cleaning the chamber better, I just am finding it difficult to use the chamber brush supplied in the otis kit with only a flexible cable.

          I thought the otis kit would be nice, but I will have to invest in a regular rod kit. Any thoughts on bore guides?
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          • #6
            Vlad 11
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 2961

            Yea get a good carbon fiber rod kit and clean from the chamber side.

            Try a few different solvents. For me, I have found that Butch Boreshine gets the most stuff out that others dont clean.

            Overcleaning can be detrimental. No need to over do it

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            • #7
              patrickcondon22
              Junior Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 29

              Originally posted by Vlad 11
              Yea get a good carbon fiber rod kit and clean from the chamber side.

              Try a few different solvents. For me, I have found that Butch Boreshine gets the most stuff out that others dont clean.

              Overcleaning can be detrimental. No need to over do it
              Is there a difference or benefit in using a carbon fiber rod over a nylon coated one?
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              • #8
                voiceofreason
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 3785

                I love my Dewey rods.

                If you clean every time after you shoot, you'll have an easier time.

                I never clean until it's "perfect", when the patch is almost all white, about 6 times, I'm done.
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                • #9
                  myk
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                  • Sep 2012
                  • 5955

                  Sticking patches through the barrel is tedious. I suggest using a boresnake to help reduce the number of patches you have to run through; personally, I only end up using about 10 patches when it used to be a lot more...


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                  • #10
                    Horton Fenty
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 921

                    I use four or five patches during each step of cleaning. What I mean by that is four or five down the barrel soaked in solvent. Then a bit of brushing. Then four or five more soaked in solvent. Let soak. Run four or five dry down the barrel then finish with a couple oiled patches and a final dry one. Done.

                    Originally posted by patrickcondon22
                    Is there a difference or benefit in using a carbon fiber rod over a nylon coated one?
                    Huge difference. You can't bend a carbon fiber rod for one.

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                    • #11
                      myk
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                      • Sep 2012
                      • 5955

                      The last one is dry? Ooops...I was under the impression that the barrel should have a light coat of oil on it, which I accomplished by taking a patch with very little oil and running it through...


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                      • #12
                        wjc
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                        • Dec 2009
                        • 10880

                        Originally posted by myk
                        The last one is dry? Ooops...I was under the impression that the barrel should have a light coat of oil on it, which I accomplished by taking a patch with very little oil and running it through...
                        This is what I do so they don't rust in may safe.

                        to answer the ops question, I usually go through 5 wet patches and about 8-10 dry patches. It usually depends on how much I've shot the particular firearm.

                        Last patch is lightly oiled and sent up the barrel.
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                        • #13
                          Horton Fenty
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                          • Aug 2012
                          • 921

                          Originally posted by myk
                          The last one is dry? Ooops...I was under the impression that the barrel should have a light coat of oil on it, which I accomplished by taking a patch with very little oil and running it through...
                          It should. Running one last dry patch will not soak up all the oil you just ran through with a wet patch, it will just get rid of any excess. Or just like you said run one through with very little oil, whatever.

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                          • #14
                            ar15barrels
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                            • Jan 2006
                            • 57175

                            I gave up brushing years ago.
                            The only brushes I use are the ones embedded in a bore snake.
                            If I am cleaning to remove anything more than the loose stuff, I use sharp shoot'r foam.
                            All you do is squirt it in the barrel, wait a few hours and push it out with a couple patches.
                            Repeat until the patches come out clean.
                            It will take a lot of cycles the first time you do a gun, but once you get a barrel completely clean, they tend to clean p easier in the future...

                            I don't push brushes down barrels with rods anymore.
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                            • #15
                              myk
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                              • Sep 2012
                              • 5955

                              Originally posted by ar15barrels

                              I don't push brushes down barrels with rods anymore.
                              I don't either-it just doesn't feel right. Besides, if you keep up on the cleaning it will never need to be brushed...


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