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  • blak
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 4

    School Zone ?

    Just moved to Cali courtesy of the Airforce and live off base (simply because at this particular base, all guns have to be secured in the base armory.)
    My backyard wall is approximately 40 feet away from a school fence (which i across the fence from my wall). Should i be expecting a visit from the local LEO soon. Every weekend, i walk to my truck with my gun cases on the way to the range. Would this be considered posesing a firearm within a school zone?
    To err is human, to forgive is weakness.
  • #2
    jermzzzzzzz
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 817

    I don't think so, its still your property and btw are you stationed at Edwards?
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    • #3
      aplinker
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2007
      • 16762

      You need to lock them up, even the long guns. Here's the Federal law:
      And state:
      a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.

      (b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written permission of the school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as specified in subdivision (f).

      (c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm under any of the following circumstances:

      (1) Within a place of residence or place of business or on private property, if the place of residence, place of business, or private property is not part of the school grounds and the possession of the firearm is otherwise lawful.

      (2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.

      This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in accordance with state law.

      (3) When the person possessing the firearm reasonably believes that he or she is in grave danger because of circumstances forming the basis of a current restraining order issued by a court against another person or persons who has or have been found to pose a threat to his or her life or safety. This subdivision may not apply when the circumstances involve a mutual restraining order issued pursuant to Division 10 (commencing with Section 6200) of the Family Code absent a factual finding of a specific threat to the person's life or safety. Upon a trial for violating subdivision (b), the trier of a fact shall determine whether the defendant was acting out of a reasonable belief that he or she was in grave danger.

      (4) When the person is exempt from the prohibition against carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to subdivision (b), (d), (e), or (h) of Section 12027.

      (d) Except as provided in subdivision (b), it shall be unlawful for any person, with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to discharge, or attempt to discharge, a firearm in a school zone, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e).

      The prohibition contained in this subdivision does not apply to the discharge of a firearm to the extent that the conditions of paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) are satisfied.

      (e) As used in this section, the following definitions shall apply:

      (1) "School zone" means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of the public or private school.

      (2) "Firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given in Section 12001.

      (3) "Locked container" has the same meaning as that term is given in subdivision (c) of Section 12026.1.

      (4) "Concealed firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given in Sections 12025 and 12026.1.

      (f) (1) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a firearm in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five years.

      (2) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, shall be punished as follows:

      (A) By imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five years, if any of the following circumstances apply:

      (i) If the person previously has been convicted of any felony, or of any crime made punishable by Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 12000) of Title 2 of Part 4.

      (ii) If the person is within a class of persons prohibited from possessing or acquiring a firearm pursuant to Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.

      (iii) If the firearm is any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and the offense is punished as a felony pursuant to Section 12025.



      **Punishment CUT for SPACE LIMIT **

      (h) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or possesses a loaded firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or administration by, a public or private university or college, that are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it is with the written permission of the university or college president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.

      (i) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or administration by, a public or private university or college, that are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it is with the written permission of the university or college president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.

      (j) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm. A muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.

      (k) This section does not require that notice be posted regarding the proscribed conduct.

      (l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.

      (m) This section does not apply to a security guard authorized to carry a loaded firearm pursuant to Section 12031.

      (n) This section does not apply to an existing shooting range at a public or private school or university or college campus.

      (o) This section does not apply to an honorably retired peace officer authorized to carry a concealed or loaded firearm pursuant to subdivision (a) or (i) of Section 12027 or paragraph (1) or (8) of subdivision (b) of Section 12031.

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      • #4
        ViPER395
        Calguns Addict
        • Feb 2007
        • 7857

        individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
        person knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone
        You were just stationed here. ^^^ You did not know it was a school zone.

        You should be fine until your truck hits the street. Then you're in violation as you're no longer on your private property.

        In reality a cop (or your neighbors) should not even see your guns in transport from house to truck, or in your truck during tansport to range. Don't give them a reason to search your truck. Don't tell them you have firearms unless asked.

        If you get the redlights behind you keep driving till you're clear of that school zone!

        If it were me I wouldn't sweat it. Chances are you're not going to get hassled, and locking up rifles is a real PITA in a truck.

        Just make sure that no one sees your rifles. Especially the neighbors.
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        • #5
          blak
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2007
          • 4

          Originally posted by jermzzzzzzz
          I don't think so, its still your property and btw are you stationed at Edwards?
          No sir...Travis AFB
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