CLEARING THE GUN (on range) - Mossberg 930 JM Pro issue?

[rngunner]

Hi

Here in England we have a possibly difference in the way we clear our guns with the RO(Range Officer) after the course of fire that you do in the States.

Our way is that we remove magazine,eject round from chamber, release bolt forward,pull trigger,pull/lock bolt open, insert safety flag,leave firing point.

With shotguns we do the same,remove shells,bolt forward,pull trigger,open bolt,in flag, leave point.

Now here`s my question, I want to buy the Mossberg 930 JM Pro but read that the lifter jams up when the bolt is released without any shells in the tube,is this always the case because it won`t be any good for our type of range drill.Perhaps some of you guys with the 930 Jm Pro could try my drill.

Thanks guy`s

John

[Librarian]

Interesting.

Can't help about the Mossy - don't own one.

But the procedure seems a bit odd; I know you do what your range requires.

1 we remove magazine,
2 eject round from chamber,
3 release bolt forward,
4 pull trigger,
5 pull/lock bolt open,
6 insert safety flag,
7 leave firing point.

Seems to me that ejecting the round (2) ordinarily is accomplished by pull bolt open (5), so I don't quite understand the point of 3, 4, 5.

[Merc1138]

I guess they want people to dryfire before locking the bolt back again? But if the magazine is already out before the round is ejected, I don't get the point of that either.

[nssurge]

I guess they want people to dryfire before locking the bolt back again? But if the magazine is already out before the round is ejected, I don't get the point of that either.

What about rimfires and other guns that aren't friendly to dry firing?

[chillincody]

I thought guns were a nono out in England ?? or was I mistaken ??

[Merc1138]

I thought guns were a nono out in England ?? or was I mistaken ??

They can have guns... albeit with insane restrictions. They don't have anything resembling the 2nd or 4th amendments.

[Brandon04GT]

I think BASICALLY handguns are not permitted but long guns are...with a ton of restrictions, of course.

[Scuba Steve33]

I heard you have to show ID when purchasing a gun related magazine from any type of store in England now.

[TAK]

Interesting.

Can't help about the Mossy - don't own one.

But the procedure seems a bit odd; I know you do what your range requires.



Seems to me that ejecting the round (2) ordinarily is accomplished by pull bolt open (5), so I don't quite understand the point of 3, 4, 5.

It seems to just be a fail safe to make sure a round definitely isn't in the chamber.

[lilro]

It seems to just be a fail safe to make sure a round definitely isn't in the chamber.

And locking the action open and putting in a chamber flag doesn't do that?

[Snoopy47]

I always drop the hammer on my firearms before I load them up to leave the range. My police academy wouldn't let us leave the range without doing this.
I've let a round loose twice doing this thinking the gun was empty when it wasn't. Thank god I was following the other three rules and firing it down range when I was clearing. That will scare you enough to mess your pants if you know what I mean.

The public range at Laguna Secca also uses flags while the guns are benched between each string of fire.

Tonight, at my local match at Laguna Secca guns are on the safe table with flags, and taken to the shooting bench with flags, and transported back to the safe table with flags.

[Librarian]

I always drop the hammer on my firearms before I load them up to leave the range.

Nothing at all wrong with that; it's just that our new British member is required to do that, then open the bolt again (which, on many guns, cocks it; if I haven't misunderstood, I believe SMLE rifles cock on closing, which might be the origin of the practice - clear, close, fire -- don't trust a visual, let the firing pin confirm -- open, insert flag in UNcocked weapon) to put in the flag.

Flags are a fine idea - lots of places require them, and I tend to use them even if not required.

[TAK]

And locking the action open and putting in a chamber flag doesn't do that?

Not necessarily, there could be a round stuck in the chamber and if you just put the flag in the upper and sent the bolt home you wouldn't necessarily notice it didn't go in all the way.

You wouldn't put a gun in a safe with a round in the chamber but you still (should) clear your weapons when you take them out the double check. What's the harm in redundancy when it takes an extra 10 seconds to double check. Anyone who has used a weapon more than a few times becomes complacent it's not any fault to the owner, but as humans when we feel comfortable doing something we start to become more relaxed.

[rngunner]

Hi Everyone

Looks like my thread got some replies,I`ll try to clarify some things.

In England we are allowed.
1. semi auto .22lr for target shooting and vermin.

2.bolt action/straight pull, single shot centre fire for target shooting
and hunting.

3.Long barreled pistol(24" overall length,with 12" barrel)) for target shooting,single shot.

4.Shotguns,pump/semi auto (no less than 24" barrel)

We have to have a licence and stating what we want to buy and what ammo to keep/buy (qty). Each time we sell a gun we have to tell the police,each time we buy a gun we have to tell the police,if we sell a gun and want to buy another of the same calibre but different make we have to send our licence back for them to reinstate the calibre we just sold.

A police state ? not quite.

I shoot a CMMG semi auto .22lr and I know we shouldn`t dry fire it to save the firing pin so I pull the bolt back slightly when they say "pull trigger". other guys in the club with SIG 22`s Rugers etc just pull the trigger.

Have I forgot anything ?

John

[pontiacpratt]

Sorry to thread-jack but reading what is allowed in England leaves only my Marlin 795 in my safe. That's assuming a .22 rifle could be magazine fed. Everything else would be to dangerous for a "citizen to own". Thank you for reminding us that as bad as California it could be a lot worse.