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  • #16
    NiteQwill
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2007
    • 6368

    I thought it was non-fatal?

    The fate of the wounded rest in the hands of the ones who apply the first dressing.

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    • #17
      acegunnr
      • Oct 2005
      • 2334

      This one? But it was not fatal though serious:

      In light of what happened this past Sunday night.
      Due to assumptions and not taking all steps I could have taken that may have prevented the tragedy, my good friend and amazing human being Gene Smithson was severely injured during a live fire training.
      Gene is in the hospital in Dallas recovering from his injuries. All I ask for is for your prayers and support for Gene during this trying time and then during lenghty recovery process.
      All responsibility for what happened lies with me and nobody else. I will do my best to support Gene and his loved ones, his school for as long as needed.
      Sonny Puzikas

      You can help here

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      • #18
        badicedog
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 3157

        @sarcoblaster and billorights.. It's called a NDA so my friend could not telle the specifics ... I posted because I was concerned and curious as to what happened and hoped the trainer shot was ok.
        "Americans used to roar like lions for liberty;now we bleat like sheep for security."

        ~ Norman Vincent Peale

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        • #19
          HighLander51
          Banned
          • Feb 2010
          • 5144

          Originally posted by 1911su16b870
          Wow...a Firearms instructor of mine opined that a ND hit with a long gun usually is fatal...so don't ND! Sad story...hoping to hear more about the circs.
          True DAT! You can take a cap in the ash from a pistol, and live, but from a rifle? Bad mojo.

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          • #20
            SMGLee
            Member
            • Sep 2002
            • 431

            It happened during a shoot house portion, Gene and a student was doing an AAR after a run in the house. Sonny Puzikas enters first room engages targets (no lights). Gene and student did not positively ID their presence in the second room, Sonny goes into room two, engages target with failure drill with Gene standing in front of that target and the student nearby. Two to abdomen, one to the arm. Sonny shooting under no light at a target he previously set up. But the problem compounded when Sonny did not account for all people in the class, the people in the shoot house upon hearing the shots, did not ID their presence, and shooting in low light with out a light to ID target.......sigh

            It's not fatal but is serious......

            Sonny owe up to the mistake and I am glad at least it wasn't a 5.45 it 7.62...

            Never met Gene, but hope he have a speedy recovery....
            Last edited by SMGLee; 11-08-2012, 11:27 PM.
            Fly Low,
            And Avoid The Radar.

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            • #21
              badicedog
              Veteran Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 3157

              Thanks for the info Chen...
              "Americans used to roar like lions for liberty;now we bleat like sheep for security."

              ~ Norman Vincent Peale

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              • #22
                SMGLee
                Member
                • Sep 2002
                • 431

                Originally posted by badicedog
                Thanks for the info Chen...
                This is only information I have heard over the course of today. Actual facts could vary.

                The important thing is the AI will recover.
                Fly Low,
                And Avoid The Radar.

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                • #23
                  badicedog
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 3157

                  @SMGLee.. This just reinforces the need for protective equipment such as plates/armor for these advanced type classes. I'm glad it was not a fatal accident!
                  "Americans used to roar like lions for liberty;now we bleat like sheep for security."

                  ~ Norman Vincent Peale

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                  • #25
                    NiteQwill
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 6368

                    Originally posted by badicedog
                    @SMGLee.. This just reinforces the need for protective equipment such as plates/armor for these advanced type classes. I'm glad it was not a fatal accident!
                    +1

                    I wear armor in all classes I attend, both pistol and/or rifle.

                    The fate of the wounded rest in the hands of the ones who apply the first dressing.

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                    • #26
                      Aftermath686
                      Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 429

                      Originally posted by badicedog
                      @SMGLee.. This just reinforces the need for protective equipment such as plates/armor for these advanced type classes. I'm glad it was not a fatal accident!
                      While obviously armor should be worn in a class like this (Every reputable CQB course that I know of require it anyways...), this incident has NOTHING to do with armor. This is plain and simple negligence. Everyone who has run a live fire shoot-house should know to get accountability before running it and to also physically clear it to make sure there are no stragglers inside. On top of that, he broke fundamental firearms safety rules by not positively identifying his target and/or ensuring the foreground and background was clear...

                      If anything the big lesson here is to not train with instructors who are not qualified to teach such a high level course.

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                      • #27
                        TML
                        Member
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 262

                        This is a good reminder to be observant of others actions and educate them on safety when needed. Of course when it comes to advanced shooters, it's more complacency than it is lack of education.

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                        • #28
                          CHIEFone
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 958

                          thanks for the info SMGLee, glad the person hit will be alright.

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                          • #29
                            Nachoman
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1138

                            Good thing he wasn't better at that failure drill and didn't make a head shot, hope he gets better. I've done courses with a shoot house, it was done with simunitions though. I've also done a live fire shoot house with folks who probably shouldn't have been doing a shoot house.

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                            • #30
                              1911su16b870
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                              CGN Contributor
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 7654

                              SMGLee Rocks! Thanks for the info.
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