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  • Chontkleer
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 1197

    The One Shot Sniper System



    So Lockheed Martin couldn't make this work? Or did one of the engineers break off and take the contracts with her/him?

    A sniper crouches near an open window and zooms in on his target, who sits a half-mile away. He peers through a scope and holds his breath, preparing to squeeze the trigger. But it’s windy outside, and he can't afford a miss. What to do? A new gun promises a perfect shot, no matter the conditions.
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    Anti-Hero
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 1572

    Wonder how they calculate wind conditions middle range and at the target. Sounds interesting, a lot of variables to account for.
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    • #3
      Burbur
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 1258

      Originally posted by Anti-Hero
      Wonder how they calculate wind conditions middle range and at the target. Sounds interesting, a lot of variables to account for.
      Maybe they use Lasers

      Exciting technology. I hope it makes it to the consumer market before I die.

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      • #4
        formula502
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 85

        Why not just use the laser itself? Lock onto the heat signature of the target, track it, and zap.

        I always assumed something like this was used when those SEALs simultaneously took out the 3 Somali hijackers on that bobbing lifeboat... from a slightly less bobbing frigate.

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        • #5
          mvanmetertoo
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 685

          $6.9 million is not a lot of money. They need to develop the software, the hardware, and deliver a number of prototypes. I'd be real surprised if they could do it for 3x as much.

          They can't just use the laser to lock on the target because, while the laser won't be disturbed by crosswinds, the bullets fired will be-- that's the problem they're trying to solve.

          I'd guess thay still use lasers, but some other sensors as well.
          Last edited by mvanmetertoo; 10-25-2012, 10:17 PM.

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          • #6
            dieselpower
            Banned
            • Jan 2009
            • 11471

            Originally posted by Anti-Hero
            Wonder how they calculate wind conditions middle range and at the target. Sounds interesting, a lot of variables to account for.
            In aircraft, the sensors collect data and build a profile of what the most probable weather conditions are in front of the aircraft. It can detect wind-shear and microbursts even though no visual details can be seen.

            A thermal image can reveal heat conditions changing indicating wind. This doesnt have to be displayed to the shooter, the computer mearly gathers this along with many other things. It then calculates the most probable crosswind and adjusts the crosshairs accordingly.

            It could also be displayed to the shooter in a way that reveals the probable wind error and allows the shooter to choose what they feel is correct. So if the computer thinks the crosshairs should be 3Dots left, a green line shows up there, with a curve to indicate distance error as it increases with distance. The shooter can choose to dope the scope at that green line or to use their own calculations.

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            • #7
              Chontkleer
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2011
              • 1197

              Originally posted by dieselpower
              In aircraft, the sensors collect data and build a profile of what the most probable weather conditions are in front of the aircraft. It can detect wind-shear and microbursts even though no visual details can be seen.

              A thermal image can reveal heat conditions changing indicating wind. This doesnt have to be displayed to the shooter, the computer mearly gathers this along with many other things. It then calculates the most probable crosswind and adjusts the crosshairs accordingly.

              It could also be displayed to the shooter in a way that reveals the probable wind error and allows the shooter to choose what they feel is correct. So if the computer thinks the crosshairs should be 3Dots left, a green line shows up there, with a curve to indicate distance error as it increases with distance. The shooter can choose to dope the scope at that green line or to use their own calculations.
              Ouch, this one weighs 5700 pounds. Imagine the ones on airplanes weigh less. There is another technology that does it apparently with microwaves.

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              • #8
                Chontkleer
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 1197

                This is from 2010:



                This is from way back in 2002. One can imagine they've improved vastly over 10 years:

                Last edited by Chontkleer; 10-26-2012, 12:25 AM.

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                • #9
                  dieselpower
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 11471

                  Originally posted by Chontkleer
                  Ouch, this one weighs 5700 pounds. Imagine the ones on airplanes weigh less. There is another technology that does it apparently with microwaves.

                  http://www.lockheedmartin.com/conten...0Detection.pdf
                  5700 I just don't have all the facts because a WXR radar with a 50 mile sweep radius weighs like 300 pounds... display, wires and array.

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                  • #10
                    Quickdraw559
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 1891

                    How about tracking particles in the air?

                    Not sure about it's fesability, but it sounds like it would work. Kind of like that idea they have to study tornados and what not. They release little sensors that are taken by the wind and they can track wind speed/direction and I'm sure temperature. Perhaps they can learn to read the particles in the air using some kind of sonar and it will tell them at least direction and speed? It would be like watching the dust blow in the wind, except with a computer system.
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                    • #11
                      Chontkleer
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 1197

                      Originally posted by Quickdraw559
                      How about tracking particles in the air?

                      Not sure about it's fesability, but it sounds like it would work. Kind of like that idea they have to study tornados and what not. They release little sensors that are taken by the wind and they can track wind speed/direction and I'm sure temperature. Perhaps they can learn to read the particles in the air using some kind of sonar and it will tell them at least direction and speed? It would be like watching the dust blow in the wind, except with a computer system.
                      That's sort of how the Lidar system works if I understand it correctly. The send a beam out and it gets bounced back and the deflection of the beam due to the particles already in the air is what gives them the direction and speed.

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                      • #12
                        dieselpower
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 11471

                        ^ Its also theory based calculations. Since we know what causes wind, you can create software that will predict what the wind is down range 2000 yards. Air temp, barometric pressure, altitude, Area land scape, bullets direction of travel, bullets velocity, Bullets weight/length, bullets spin ratio. The most expensive part is a thermal camera that has the ability to detect very slight heat changes 2000 yards away. A thermal updraft effects a bullets deviation more then normal wind.

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