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  • M1ASupermatch
    Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 432

    Round count?

    Is it just me?

    Am I being too sensative when asked by potential buyers what the round count is on a second-hand, second generation, Law Enforcement trade-in Glock 17? If its an LE trade in how the hell would I know?

    Glocks have been proven to be able to go 100,000 rounds.

    I mean, overall condition being equal, could anyone really tell the difference betwee a Glock that had 1K vs. say 20K rounds down the pipe? I've seen more ruined barrels as a result of neglect and/or improper cleaning than having been shotout from too many trips to the range.

    And while I'm at it...am I the only one that gets annoyed by people that ask a bunch of questions about a gun that I am selling, and then in the same email say "I know you wanted $450, but would you take $300 for it?" For Christsake you havent even let me respond to your questions much less seen the gun in person and now you want to low-ball me!

    Is it just me?
  • #2
    21SF
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 3491

    It part of the process, get used to it.

    I have only had a few people plop down asking price no questions asked.
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    • #3
      CK_32
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Sep 2010
      • 14369

      I was like that until I put 3k down my Glock...

      I felt it was broken if it was more than 300.. Glad I know better but I definitely won't be paying top dollar for a heavily used gun when I can get one that's been sitting in a safe for the same price. But a lot of newer guys or guys that don't know better think guns need replacing if over 500 or so rounds..
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      • #4
        HighLander51
        Banned
        • Feb 2010
        • 5144

        Yes, it's easy to tell the difference between 1,000, 10,000 and 100,000 or more rounds. The frame rails wear from the top down in thickness. Guns with 10,000 rounds look ground on, 100,000 mile guns look mirror polished with a razor sharp edge. Course it's easy for me to tell because I have Glocks with similar mileage. Most police trade in's will tend to have very low round counts, departments don't qualify anywhere near what they used to, but they will be more beat up.

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        • #5
          M1ASupermatch
          Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 432

          Well said sir.

          [/QUOTE]I felt it was broken if it was more than 300.. Glad I know better but I definitely won't be paying top dollar for a heavily used gun when I can get one that's been sitting in a safe for the same price. But a lot of newer guys or guys that don't know better think guns need replacing if over 500 or so rounds..[/QUOTE]

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          • #6
            odysseus
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Dec 2005
            • 10407

            You want to buy a car. Sure, it can go 150K miles without major service if cared for. However do you want to know if it has 25K miles on it or 100K miles on it. Of course you do.
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            • #7
              ElDub1950
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2012
              • 5688

              Originally posted by CK_32
              But a lot of newer guys or guys that don't know better think guns need replacing if over 500 or so rounds..
              Certainly glad that's not the case .. I can't afford to replace my guns twice a month!!

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              • #8
                HighLander51
                Banned
                • Feb 2010
                • 5144

                This G17 has about 80,000 miles on it. Most of the wear occurs on the rear rails. You will never wear a pistol barrel out in your lifetime, it's not like a rifle where you can erode out the throat of the chamber.

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                • #9
                  cmichini
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1739

                  Originally posted by M1ASupermatch
                  Is it just me?

                  Am I being too sensative when asked by potential buyers what the round count is on a second-hand, second generation, Law Enforcement trade-in Glock 17? If its an LE trade in how the hell would I know?

                  Glocks have been proven to be able to go 100,000 rounds.

                  I mean, overall condition being equal, could anyone really tell the difference betwee a Glock that had 1K vs. say 20K rounds down the pipe? I've seen more ruined barrels as a result of neglect and/or improper cleaning than having been shotout from too many trips to the range.

                  And while I'm at it...am I the only one that gets annoyed by people that ask a bunch of questions about a gun that I am selling, and then in the same email say "I know you wanted $450, but would you take $300 for it?" For Christsake you havent even let me respond to your questions much less seen the gun in person and now you want to low-ball me!

                  Is it just me?
                  Just remember that all pre-owned firearms have 200 rounds down the pipe and you'll be fine.
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                  • #10
                    bsg
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 25954

                    share details of the gun in initial description; that it is a LE trade-in with unknown rounds down the pipe previous to your ownership, and approximately how many rounds you've put through it since acquiring it. you could comment on the wear and overall condition, and refer potential buyers to pictures you've posted.

                    there will always be folks that offer far less than what is reasonable, regardless of your level of flexibility.

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                    • #11
                      uhlan1
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 6217

                      If the asking price is reasonable I pay it, cash. If it's not, I don't even contact. Who's got time for silly games. I don't resell my guns, will shoot the living bejesus out of them so what's another 25-50 bucks over thousands of rounds. Something else always comes along.
                      If someone is offering 2 guns I want I will ask for a reasonable discount on both. think that's fair. whole volume thing.
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                      • #12
                        The Gleam
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                        • Feb 2011
                        • 12859

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                        Originally posted by Librarian
                        What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                        If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                        • #13
                          locosway
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                          • Jun 2009
                          • 11346

                          During my Armorer class they told a tail of a gun that had over 1,000,000 rounds through it and it was still going. Obviously they've replaced wear parts, but the major components were fine.
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                          • #14
                            BKinzey
                            OT Banned
                            CGN Contributor
                            • May 2009
                            • 4390

                            Originally posted by HighLander51
                            .... You will never wear a pistol barrel out in your lifetime,....
                            I can confirm that Big Randy, a Calgunner now deceased, did wear out the barrel of his competition 1911 a couple of years before he died. In fact it only took him about 5 to 7 years.

                            It is not uncommon among competitive shooters to wear out pistol barrels.
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                            • #15
                              CSACANNONEER
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                              • Dec 2006
                              • 44094

                              Round count means almost nothing to me unless we are talking about bottlenecked cartridges. Personally, I would be more interested in the exterior condition of a police trade in.
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