Looks Like Turners Understands the Gun Business

[Forever-A-Soldier]

Not trying to start a Big Store vs. Mom&Pop gunstore debate, but went on Turner's website to check out the upcoming week's sales and they have a new part on their site called "Online Gun Rack" which lists their used and consigned guns for sale. Looks like I'll be watching their website a bit closer from now on for those "off list" guns on consignment. "Mom & Pop Gun Stores" are you listening?????

F.A.S. Out

[stevie]

They have been doing that for a few months now.. i check often, got a great deal on a Glock 20.... granted i had to drive out of the area to get it since they could not transfer it to a closer store.

[69Mach1]

The last I heard (from an employee), Turners will not touch the offlist stuff.

[EBWhite]

69- you are correct...ive tried...

[stevie]

At least handguns, that makes sense since its not a PPT, so they can not sell anything that is off list.

[Forever-A-Soldier]

Consignment guns can be off-list. I just bought one from them an FEG High Power clone. However, they have a strange "30 day" hold on all consigned firearms before releasing them. I don't know why, and they couldn't tell me. Perhaps it's to see if they are stolen or something.

F.A.S. Out

[69Mach1]

It's a shame. Turners is our last "chain" of gun stores. They won't even consider it even though there's a letter of legality directly from the DOJ, and Federal protection against a lawsuit. If they did offlist lower sales/transfers, I know it would help the cause. I like turners and have bought about a dozen firearms from them but I think they should know how we feel about their lack of support for this cause. I remember AK's, Colt's, Armalite's, Bushmasters, and many other semi-auto rifles on their gunracks back in the day. I hope they (corporate) change their minds.

[stevie]

Turners told me that the 30 day hold was to check with the DOJ to verify firearm is not stolen.

[SirMikeAlot]

The last I heard (from an employee), Turners will not touch the offlist stuff.

An employee told me the same thing.

Sucks cause Turners is very near me.

[CALI-gula]

Turners told me that the 30 day hold was to check with the DOJ to verify firearm is not stolen.

The 30 day hold also applies to pawn shops - and it is not necessarily for firearms only. This is a consignment/pawn shop issue. It is in the Business and Professions code as it pertains to pawn/consignment items, to verify if stolen, and reiterated in the Firearms sections (I think?).

I remember looking it up at one point because the buyer of an item I was selling by PPT - he paid me and DROSed it, but neglected to pick it up after 30 days from his DROS, and disappeared for 4 months - turns out he had to go to New Orleans for emergency rescue work, then came back 4 months later. (Would have been nice if he told someone). Meanwhile, neither I or the FFL knew what happened to him; I could not reclaim the gun or take possession as he had already DROS'ed it and committed to purchase. Under the Business & Professions Code, I could only re-claim it if I could provide a receipt to the FFL showing that I returned funds to the buyer or the buyer relinquished claim to the gun (if in a non-cash PPT).

And the FFL could not re-sell it in his store, if it went unclaimed, because as the PPT/Consignment party, he can have not a financial interest in the sale other than cost for his processing of the DROS and PPT sale.

If the buyer had never picked it up, the FFL would have been forced to turn it over to a local police department or DOJ as "Unclaimed Property" for the state to hold until claimed - they hold it for some required time, and if never claimed, it is destroyed.

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I have been watching the "Online Gun Rack" on Turners website from the very first week it went on the site - however, I notice prices are random. If not comparable to something they would typically stock as new, it seems they have no gauge or talent for appraisal (maybe at best, an inaccurate condtion read for Bluebook cost?). The collectible or rare items are usually overpriced, if actually in the store as they claim.

I am also skeptical of their numerous posts that went up for awhile of Colt Pythons in the $495 range. (I wanted a beater Python with a good bore - all of mine are pristine rare models, but I don't want to pay $950 for an 80% gun, no box, etc.).

One day, such a post went up mid-day - it was not on the list that morning OR the night before. I called the store and they said they had it, it was there, in the case, come and get it. As always, I took down the salesperson's name and said "Thanks XXXX! I'll see you in just a few minutes".

I SPEED over to the store - normally a 30 minute trip, I show up at the store 15 minutes later after my call, and another salesperson tells me "Uh, we sold that yesterday afternoon".

They gave an excuse that the salesperson I spoke with did not really check. OK. (This was when gas prices were $2.95 a gallon, but my TIME is more valuable than anything else)

I say "Thanks, but this is the second time where this has happened on your "Gun Rack" list - a nearly identical listing in every way, for an 80% condition 4" barrel Python at $495 was shown at another store last week, further away, called and they said they had it, it was there; I got there 40 minutes after my call and was told 'it was sold that morning'."

Now I understand if it had sold within the 15 minutes of my drive; it's a popular item. But they told me on the phone it was there, then told me it was sold the night before? And it was still on their list from being posted THAT AFTERNOON??

So I asked them to show it to me anyway, just for curiosity, since they would have it in storage for the customer's 10 day wait, and they quickly told me they could not show me another customer's gun. "OK, well then just bring it out and show me this 4" blued Colt Python you claim you had, from 10 feet away? I can spot a Python from 50 feet, so should be no harm in that, and it's not a busy day... the answer I got? "Um, we can't do that sir".

"Bummer. OK. Thanks anyway. Let me take a look at that "1 of 1000" DAO SIG."

Now I was not being loud, demanding, or short with them - I was very conversational and one on one with just these 2 salesmen. I wasn't raising a fuss or causing a scene. I had bought other guns there in the past, and even an H&K .45 Elite from that same store just the month before.

While I don't believe there ever was such a gun, I gave them my patience, benefit of the doubt, realized I could not change the situation and that there was no Python available to me, but went on to simply ask that going forward, they establish a rigid protocol to visually verify that a gun for their on-line gun rack is actually in the case or on the rack before telling people on the phone to come to the store, AND to immediately remove them from the on-line list as soon as they are sold.

I have a feeling my polite advice fell on deaf ears as there may have never been such a gun to begin with. But I still give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess. If I have to. Because I am polite. And because I couldn't change the situation and make a Colt Python as listed materialize out of thin air anyway (coincidentally, they couldn't materialize one either!).

Though I am surprised they didn't try to pitch a sale to me of a new S&W Performance Center 527 as its replacement! Maybe they knew that might have been pushing it too far?


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[caduckgunner]

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I have been watching the "Online Gun Rack" on Turners website from the very first week it went on the site - however, I notice prices are random. If not comparable to something they would typically stock as new, it seems they have no gauge or talent for appraisal (maybe at best, an inaccurate condtion read for Bluebook cost?). The collectible or rare items are usually overpriced, if actually in the store as they claim.

I am also skeptical of their numerous posts that went up for awhile of Colt Pythons in the $495 range. (I wanted a beater Python with a good bore - all of mine are pristine rare models, but I don't want to pay $950 for an 80% gun, no box, etc.).

One day, such a post went up mid-day - it was not on the list that morning OR the night before. I called the store and they said they had it, it was there, in the case, come and get it. As always, I took down the salesperson's name and said "Thanks XXXX! I'll see you in just a few minutes".

I SPEED over to the store - normally a 30 minute trip, I show up at the store 15 minutes later after my call, and another salesperson tells me "Uh, we sold that yesterday afternoon".

They gave an excuse that the salesperson I spoke with did not really check. OK. (This was when gas prices were $2.95 a gallon, but my TIME is more valuable than anything else)

I say "Thanks, but this is the second time where this has happened on your "Gun Rack" list - a nearly identical listing in every way, for an 80% condition 4" barrel Python at $495 was shown at another store last week, further away, called and they said they had it, it was there; I got there 40 minutes after my call and was told 'it was sold that morning'."

Now I understand if it had sold within the 15 minutes of my drive; it's a popular item. But they told me on the phone it was there, then told me it was sold the night before? And it was still on their list from being posted THAT AFTERNOON??

So I asked them to show it to me anyway, just for curiosity, since they would have it in storage for the customer's 10 day wait, and they quickly told me they could not show me another customer's gun. "OK, well then just bring it out and show me this 4" blued Colt Python you claim you had, from 10 feet away? I can spot a Python from 50 feet, so should be no harm in that, and it's not a busy day... the answer I got? "Um, we can't do that sir".

"Bummer. OK. Thanks anyway. Let me take a look at that "1 of 1000" DAO SIG."

Now I was not being loud, demanding, or short with them - I was very conversational and one on one with just these 2 salesmen. I wasn't raising a fuss or causing a scene. I had bought other guns there in the past, and even an H&K .45 Elite from that same store just the month before.

While I don't believe there ever was such a gun, I gave them my patience, benefit of the doubt, realized I could not change the situation and that there was no Python available to me, but went on to simply ask that going forward, they establish a rigid protocol to visually verify that a gun for their on-line gun rack is actually in the case or on the rack before telling people on the phone to come to the store, AND to immediately remove them from the on-line list as soon as they are sold.

I have a feeling my polite advice fell on deaf ears as there may have never been such a gun to begin with. But I still give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess. If I have to. Because I am polite. And because I couldn't change the situation and make a Colt Python as listed materialize out of thin air anyway (coincidentally, they couldn't materialize one either!).

Though I am surprised they didn't try to pitch a sale to me of a new S&W Performance Center 527 as its replacement! Maybe they knew that might have been pushing it too far?


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Are you trying to say Turners doesn't have GREAT service? No that couldn't be it, they have the best customer service ever After my my third bad experience there on Sunday, I will never shop there or recommend them to anyone ever again!

[bwiese]

Though I am surprised they didn't try to pitch a sale to me of a new S&W Performance Center 527 as its replacement! Maybe they knew that might have been pushing it too far?

Hold it, are you pushing my buttons?

Is there really a new S&W 527? I know there are 327s and 627s. I don't see any 527 on the Calif. 'safe gun' roster of approved handguns.

Inquiring minds wanna know.

[Brass Balls]

Consignment guns can be off-list. I just bought one from them an FEG High Power clone.

Did they make you pay sales tax?

I've only ever bought one consignment gun and had to pay sales tax.

[Forever-A-Soldier]

I think we got some terminology mixed up here. I was responding to a previous poster and used the words "off list" meaning not on the "DOJ approved list" of handguns. (Not meaning to refer to "off list lowers" in the AR and AK world.) Turners does indeed sell non-DOJ list handguns IF they are consignment which falls under the PPT rules. They DO NOT (at least the ones I've talked to ) handle "off list" AR lowers, etc.

As for the tax issue, I think they charge tax on the sale (I'll have to dig my receipt out) as it is coming through Turners and they keep a portion of the sale of the gun. My local dealer does that too. Turners does not charge tax on PPT when it comes to the sale price of the gun. I did both a PPT and a consignment purchase same day @ Turners.

Hope this clarifies things a bit.

F.A.S. Out

[Ford8N]

The 30 day hold also applies to pawn shops - and it is not necessarily for firearms only. This is a consignment/pawn shop issue. It is in the Business and Professions code as it pertains to pawn/consignment items, to verify if stolen, and reiterated in the Firearms sections (I think?).

I remember looking it up at one point because the buyer of an item I was selling by PPT - he paid me and DROSed it, but neglected to pick it up after 30 days from his DROS, and disappeared for 4 months - turns out he had to go to New Orleans for emergency rescue work, then came back 4 months later. (Would have been nice if he told someone). Meanwhile, neither I or the FFL knew what happened to him; I could not reclaim the gun or take possession as he had already DROS'ed it and committed to purchase. Under the Business & Professions Code, I could only re-claim it if I could provide a receipt to the FFL showing that I returned funds to the buyer or the buyer relinquished claim to the gun (if in a non-cash PPT).

And the FFL could not re-sell it in his store, if it went unclaimed, because as the PPT/Consignment party, he can have not a financial interest in the sale other than cost for his processing of the DROS and PPT sale.

If the buyer had never picked it up, the FFL would have been forced to turn it over to a local police department or DOJ as "Unclaimed Property" for the state to hold until claimed - they hold it for some required time, and if never claimed, it is destroyed.

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I have been watching the "Online Gun Rack" on Turners website from the very first week it went on the site - however, I notice prices are random. If not comparable to something they would typically stock as new, it seems they have no gauge or talent for appraisal (maybe at best, an inaccurate condtion read for Bluebook cost?). The collectible or rare items are usually overpriced, if actually in the store as they claim.

I am also skeptical of their numerous posts that went up for awhile of Colt Pythons in the $495 range. (I wanted a beater Python with a good bore - all of mine are pristine rare models, but I don't want to pay $950 for an 80% gun, no box, etc.).

One day, such a post went up mid-day - it was not on the list that morning OR the night before. I called the store and they said they had it, it was there, in the case, come and get it. As always, I took down the salesperson's name and said "Thanks XXXX! I'll see you in just a few minutes".

I SPEED over to the store - normally a 30 minute trip, I show up at the store 15 minutes later after my call, and another salesperson tells me "Uh, we sold that yesterday afternoon".

They gave an excuse that the salesperson I spoke with did not really check. OK. (This was when gas prices were $2.95 a gallon, but my TIME is more valuable than anything else)

I say "Thanks, but this is the second time where this has happened on your "Gun Rack" list - a nearly identical listing in every way, for an 80% condition 4" barrel Python at $495 was shown at another store last week, further away, called and they said they had it, it was there; I got there 40 minutes after my call and was told 'it was sold that morning'."

Now I understand if it had sold within the 15 minutes of my drive; it's a popular item. But they told me on the phone it was there, then told me it was sold the night before? And it was still on their list from being posted THAT AFTERNOON??

So I asked them to show it to me anyway, just for curiosity, since they would have it in storage for the customer's 10 day wait, and they quickly told me they could not show me another customer's gun. "OK, well then just bring it out and show me this 4" blued Colt Python you claim you had, from 10 feet away? I can spot a Python from 50 feet, so should be no harm in that, and it's not a busy day... the answer I got? "Um, we can't do that sir".

"Bummer. OK. Thanks anyway. Let me take a look at that "1 of 1000" DAO SIG."

Now I was not being loud, demanding, or short with them - I was very conversational and one on one with just these 2 salesmen. I wasn't raising a fuss or causing a scene. I had bought other guns there in the past, and even an H&K .45 Elite from that same store just the month before.

While I don't believe there ever was such a gun, I gave them my patience, benefit of the doubt, realized I could not change the situation and that there was no Python available to me, but went on to simply ask that going forward, they establish a rigid protocol to visually verify that a gun for their on-line gun rack is actually in the case or on the rack before telling people on the phone to come to the store, AND to immediately remove them from the on-line list as soon as they are sold.

I have a feeling my polite advice fell on deaf ears as there may have never been such a gun to begin with. But I still give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess. If I have to. Because I am polite. And because I couldn't change the situation and make a Colt Python as listed materialize out of thin air anyway (coincidentally, they couldn't materialize one either!).

Though I am surprised they didn't try to pitch a sale to me of a new S&W Performance Center 527 as its replacement! Maybe they knew that might have been pushing it too far?


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Bait and Switch

Plain and simple.