Isn't this really illegal?

[AK all day]

Nice gun, but is this not illegal?

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/for/3323350163.html

[ClarenceBoddicker]

Not illegal if you used a fixed 10 round mag & make sure it's OAL is OK. It's most likely a fake.

[paul0660]

You mean against Craiglist rules, yes, but it happens all the time. They get pulled, and relisted.

[AK all day]

Well there is no locking device and the stock folds, It doesn't look 30" to me....

[21SF]

Its probably C&R lol

[5thgen4runner]

It's prob a cop, or sting.

[AK all day]

He claims this:

"Its pre 1950's made in early 40's. There is a mag release button. The rifle is %100 legal and in mint condition."

" I was givin the rifle as a gift from my grandfather so being that its pre 1950's it is exempted from having any paperwork or licensing. Its basicly a historical rifle fully functional of course."

[The Gleam]

Isn't C&R exempt from California's AW ban? I thought that was the whole conundrum CA anti-2nd Amendment politicos are facing once early semi-auto-only SKSs, ARs and AKs come of age to be considered C&R in a few more years (so long as they were semi-autos from point of manufacture).

[2shotjoe]

Don't have one, can't tell if its 30" oal folded.

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[dieselpower]

Isn't C&R exempt from California's AW ban? I thought that was the whole conundrum CA anti-2nd Amendment politicos are facing once early semi-auto-only SKSs, ARs and AKs come of age to be considered C&R in a few more years (so long as they were semi-autos from point of manufacture).

No C&R are not exempt. They have to be 100+ years old to be exempt...I think 1899 is the manufactured year to be exempt.

[2shotjoe]

Don't have one, can't tell if its 30" oal folded. I'm guessing no, standard is 35.6" oal??

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[CK_32]

Ohh Craigslist.. The mecca of "rare" "one of a kind" "custom" items..

[Agustav]

Never knew that M1 carbine ever comes with muzzle brake.

I think M3 did comes with flash hider. However if it's a M3, we got more serious issue then OAL...

[ClarenceBoddicker]

He claims this:

"Its pre 1950's made in early 40's. There is a mag release button. The rifle is %100 legal and in mint condition."

" I was givin the rifle as a gift from my grandfather so being that its pre 1950's it is exempted from having any paperwork or licensing. Its basicly a historical rifle fully functional of course."

The seller is full of BS. USGi Carbines were not surplussed to US citizens until the 1960s according to everyone I talked to. Not all carbines are C&R as many commercial ones were made, like Ivor Johnson. In that configuration it's an unregistered AW in CA. Ask him about the magazines it comes with. I doubt he has legal 5 & 10 round mags with it. He probably has the WWII 15 rounders & the Korean war 30 rounders. Both would be illegal for you to get from him if assembled.

I forgot to mention be careful if the receiver is marked M-2. ATF has ruled & the courts have upheld that all M-2 marked carbine receivers are machine guns under Federal law even without any of the full auto trigger pack parts installed. ATF can get away with this due to their once a machine gun always a machine gun policy that has been mostly upheld by the courts. There is no difference between an M-1 & M-2 carbine receiver other then the markings.

AFAIK even pre 1899 antiques are not exempt from CA's SB-23.

[Quiet]

Nice gun, but is this not illegal?

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/for/3323350163.html

Yes, it is illegal.

The M-1 Carbine described in the ad = assault weapon.
Violates PC 30515(a)(1)(A), 30515(a)(1)(C), 30515(a)(1)(E) and 30515(a)(3).

There is no C&R exemption to CA's assault weapons laws.

Inland (GM) was the only manufacturer of the "paratrooper" M-1A1 Carbine. They were all made with the side folding stock.

Under folding stock = aftermarket.

In 1966, Cadmus Industries sold National Ordinance (aftermarket/USGI parts kit) M-1 Carbines with an under folding stock.
So, the M-1 Carbine being sold in that ad is also not a C&R.

AFAIK even pre 1899 antiques are not exempt from CA's SB-23.

FYI. See parts in bold.

Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, "assault weapon" also means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(c) "Assault weapon" does not include either of the following:
(1) Any antique firearm.

Penal Code 16170
(a) As used in Sections 30515 and 30530, "antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured before January 1, 1899.