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  • mike_the_wino
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 2871

    "High capacity" magazines...a rant

    I know not everyone owned normal magazines before the ban on "high capacity" or "high cap" magazines but can we, as a group of semi-normal gun owners stop using this asinine phrase? This term was coined by gun-grabbing, pinko antis to make gun owners look bad. We have all heard the squeals:

    "Ooooh, what do you need that many bullets for at one time?"
    "If we limit the number of bullets in those guns, we can reduce all of the gun violence"
    etc, etc, etc.

    I know where the phrase come from and why. Antis like to demonize firearms in any way possible. It is also known that Libs love to turn a phrase to this end (ie "Assault Weapons). I don't fault them, it's a proven tactic to advance their goals but I cringe when I hear gun owners use these terms. You don't own an "assault weapon" unless you have illegally converted, built or imported one. The only legal option is to have a registered one. Everything else is a centerfire rifle. And there aren't "high capacity" magazines. They hold the amount of bullets that they were built to hold. Some just have been unnecessarily restricted to an arbitrary number because it made some politicians feel like they somehow advanced the public good while ignoring our growing fiscal crisis. But I guess fiddling, or playing the lyre, is what politicians do best while the world burns around them.

    Don't get caught up in allowing language to shape the world around us. The antis get up every day thinking of ways to strip you of your Second Amendment rights, we should be as steadfast in our defense of those rights.

    /rant
  • #2
    Librarian
    Admin and Poltergeist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 44680

    In ordinary conversation, that's good advice.

    In California, when speaking of California law, the legal term, defined in the penal code is 'large-capacity magazine' - in technical discussions, the correct technical term is required.
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    Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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    • #3
      Merc1138
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2009
      • 19742

      This again? Librarian posted exactly why. It's a legal definition and confusing the issue could lead to people committing felonies.

      A "standard" capacity magazine for a 1911(7-10 rounds or so, it's up for debate still) is perfectly fine, a "standard" capacity magazine for an AR-15 could be 5,10,20,30+ rounds and some of those capacities would be illegal for someone to manufacture, import, offer for sale, etc.

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      • #4
        stix213
        AKA: Joe Censored
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Apr 2009
        • 19002

        I use the term "large-capacity" magazines when chiming in in a thread about the law here, since that is the exact term used in the PC.

        I like to use the term "adult sized" magazines otherwise

        edit: damn it, I need to scan every thread for Librarian posts before posting so as to stop repeating him

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        • #5
          hermosabeach
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 19708

          Standard Capacity mags works for me....

          For 1911 it is 6,7 or 8
          For G17 it is 17

          California has limited magazines
          And look- since it passed- murders have stopped!!!!

          Yeah!!!!
          Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

          Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

          Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

          Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
          (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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          • #6
            bobomb
            Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 138

            yea back in the 80s 90s all these buzzwords started happening a high capacity magazine was a magazine that held more than the usual capacity

            like an 8 rounder for a 1911 was a high capacity

            but since 1994 high capacity means any amount over 10 its a nice round number but why 10 what if we had 12 fingers would we have picked 12? what if we were muppets would we be at 8?

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            • #7
              dieselpower
              Banned
              • Jan 2009
              • 11471

              Originally posted by hermosabeach
              Standard Capacity mags works for me....

              For 1911 it is 6,7 or 8
              For G17 it is 17

              California has limited magazines
              And look- since it passed- murders have stopped!!!!

              Yeah!!!!
              Its not a standard capacity magazine in CA.... The standard capacity magazine in CA is 10 or less. If its 11 or more its a LCM and is covered under law.

              You can call it "peaches and cream" for all I care...its still a LCM if it holds over 10.

              One comment I saw that I have to correct...
              I know not everyone owned normal magazines before the ban on "high capacity" or "high cap" magazines ........
              What does that matter? You can get a legal LCM right now. LCMs have RESTRICTIONS on acquisition ...they are not illegal. LEO can seize them if they feel they are a public nuisance...not because they are illegal.

              Just wanted to clarify that.

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              • #8
                lilro
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 2374

                How about we stop using "large-capacity" AND "standard capacity", and just say how many rounds the mag holds. Fair compromise for now, right?
                There is no justification for the public servant police to be more heavily armed than the law-abiding public they serve...Unless...the government's intention is to be more powerful than the people.

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                • #9
                  Bill Carson
                  Veteran Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 3574

                  I agree. Now if we could only get gun owners to stop referring to themselves as " Gun Nuts" because that is also what the antis do.

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                  • #10
                    dieselpower
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 11471

                    Originally posted by lilro
                    How about we stop using "large-capacity" AND "standard capacity", and just say how many rounds the mag holds. Fair compromise for now, right?
                    ...wow you need to work on those reading skills my friend... because "large capacity" is a legal term, that is why we use it... just because you don't like the term "DWI or driving while intoxicated" doesn't mean there are not laws written about drinking and driving.

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                    • #11
                      lilro
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 2374

                      Originally posted by dieselpower
                      ...wow you need to work on those reading skills my friend... because "large capacity" is a legal term, that is why we use it... just because you don't like the term "DWI or driving while intoxicated" doesn't mean there are not laws written about drinking and driving.
                      I know it's a legal term. I'm talking about the use of the term among gun owners. For instance, instead of calling a factory PMAG a "large capacity magazine", we should just call it a "30 round magazine". Refer to magazines by their round count, not by a relative size term that would vary from state to state.
                      There is no justification for the public servant police to be more heavily armed than the law-abiding public they serve...Unless...the government's intention is to be more powerful than the people.

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                      • #12
                        dieselpower
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 11471

                        Originally posted by lilro
                        I know it's a legal term. I'm talking about the use of the term among gun owners. For instance, instead of calling a factory PMAG a "large capacity magazine", we should just call it a "30 round magazine". Refer to magazines by their round count, not by a relative size term that would vary from state to state.
                        In that sense, I do agree. I wrote an opine in the 2nd/legal forums purposing the community stop referring to capacity limited magazines as 10/30s or 10/20s.... whatever. Its a 10 round magazine with a long body. A Glock 17, sold in CA has a 10 round magazine...not a 10/15. Its just a Glock 9mm magazine.

                        The fact you refer to the magazine as what it's capacity could be suggests in court at some time in the past or future COULD be a legally defined LCM... why go there?

                        Its a 10rd magazine. If you need to describe it more...its a 10 rd mag with a long body.

                        If you have taken a 30 round magazine , defined in CA as a LCM and limited its capacity, you have created a 10/30 as defined under the exceptions to the law....

                        When you build a magazine using the same body as a 30 round magazine, but limit its capacity to 10...you have made a 10 round magazine..NOT a 10/30.

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                        • #13
                          InGrAM
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 3699

                          Originally posted by hermosabeach
                          Standard Capacity mags works for me....

                          For 1911 it is 6,7,8, or 9
                          For G17 it is 17

                          California has limited magazines
                          And look- since it passed- murders have stopped!!!!

                          Yeah!!!!
                          Fixed it for you.

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                          • #14
                            TROYSD
                            Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 321

                            another phrase they always use is '' high powered rifle'' . is there a low powered rifle?
                            troysd

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                            • #15
                              Scratch705
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • May 2009
                              • 12537

                              Originally posted by TROYSD
                              another phrase they always use is '' high powered rifle'' . is there a low powered rifle?
                              a .22lr?
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