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  • lgm118icbm
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 1204

    The word "weapon"

    I don't like how much the word "weapon" gets thrown around. To me, the word has an operational definition, meaning that an implement should only be defined as a weapon if it is used or (maybe) intended to be used principally in offense / defense.

    A pistol or rifle can be used as a weapon but a spoon can be used as a weapon too and that doesn't mean that every spoon is a weapon. I typically use mine to eat Cheerios.

    I suppose it is similar to the "assault rifle" term that gets thrown around. I always cringe when people ask me how many "weapons" I brought to the range or how many "weapons" I own. I tell them none. I have rifles, shotguns and pistols.

    And I hope I never, ever have to use any of them as a "weapon".
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    LOW2000
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    • Jan 2006
    • 941

    We specifically do not refer to anything in NRA courses as a weapon. It is always "the pistol", "this glock", "that revolver", etc.
    All comments are solely for educational purposes and are spoken in a hypothetical manner. The poster follows any and all statutes, codes, mandates, etc to the letter of the law.

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    • #3
      AE102
      Member
      • Jul 2012
      • 223

      I agree, I just call them firearms.

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      • #4
        mkane
        Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 440

        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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        • #5
          devilinblack
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 1630

          I blame the Army for my habit of calling all firearms weapons, but if I'm talking to a non-shooter I do find myself trying to use "rifle" or "pistol" instead.
          Originally posted by freakshow10mm
          If you are mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore, grab your rifle and head outside. If you're the only dumbass with a rifle screaming like a maniac, go back inside. It isn't time yet.
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          • #6
            DVSmith
            Cantankerous old coot
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Dec 2007
            • 3702

            Originally posted by LOW2000
            We specifically do not refer to anything in NRA courses as a weapon. It is always "the pistol", "this glock", "that revolver", etc.
            Correct, and I like the concept. Even in everyday conversation I use the term firearm generically and pistol, rifle, make, model etc. when specificity is appropriate. Rarely do I use "weapon."

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            • #7
              SilverTauron
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2012
              • 5699

              I don't like how much the word "weapon" gets thrown around. To me, the word has an operational definition, meaning that an implement should only be defined as a weapon if it is used or (maybe) intended to be used principally in offense / defense.
              The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be.
              The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be.
              -Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE

              The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream.

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              • #8
                Sakiri
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 1395

                You want to know what an "assault weapon" is?

                It's that thing in my hands that I'm smashing someone's face in at any given time when attacked.

                I'm using something as a weapon and I'm assaulting them with said weapon. This can apply to any object that can be hurled, stabbed with, used as a blunt weapon,, my fists...etc.

                So when are we going to have to register our fists as deadly "assault weapons"?

                And yes, I typically use "firearm" and "gun" when referring to them generically. Pistol, rifle and shotgun when being more specific, and specific models when warranted. "Weapon" is relegated to the bottom of the barrel when I'm referring to combat situations of any type. "Well what kind of weapon was used?" if I'm asking my roommate about a war story he read about or whatever.

                The standard "assault weapon" BS irritates me.
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                "'Keep' means they're mine, you can't have them. 'Bear' means I've got some on me, and they're loaded."

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                • #9
                  IrishJoe3
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 3804

                  Originally posted by devilinblack
                  I blame the Army for my habit of calling all firearms weapons,
                  Maybe thats my problem. Its weapon for me.
                  Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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                  • #10
                    BKinzey
                    OT Banned
                    CGN Contributor
                    • May 2009
                    • 4390

                    I agree, there are many firearms whose main purpose does not include to be used as a weapon.

                    Fighting a losing battle though.
                    Rogue American, Media Mercenary.
                    "A firearm is just a tool. Any tool can be used as a weapon, but the most powerful weapons were written."

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                    • #11
                      rolo
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1137

                      I don't have a problem with firearms defined as weapons. I have a problem with weapons being defined as something to be feared or avoided.

                      That which we would call a rose, by any other name would smell just as sweet.

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                      • #12
                        dieselpower
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 11471

                        Originally posted by lgm118icbm
                        I don't like how much the word "weapon" gets thrown around. To me, the word has an operational definition, meaning that an implement should only be defined as a weapon if it is used or (maybe) intended to be used principally in offense / defense.

                        A pistol or rifle can be used as a weapon but a spoon can be used as a weapon too and that doesn't mean that every spoon is a weapon. I typically use mine to eat Cheerios.

                        I suppose it is similar to the "assault rifle" term that gets thrown around. I always cringe when people ask me how many "weapons" I brought to the range or how many "weapons" I own. I tell them none. I have rifles, shotguns and pistols.

                        And I hope I never, ever have to use any of them as a "weapon".
                        Both my firearms are weapons. Their primary use is to inflict wounds great enough to end life.... that is what a weapon is. Yes I shoot paper with them, but that is to make sure when I do intend to properly use the weapon, I do so with efficient skill.

                        You are upset with "other" people using the terminology properly because its not YOUR definition of what YOUR firearms are.

                        BUT

                        I am sorry to inform you of this, but Firearms are in fact weapons...period. The primary use of a firearm is to inflict wounds. Just because you do not do that or you have no intention of doing that doesn't change what it is.

                        another things many people don't understand....
                        The Second Amendment was written to allow free man to have WEAPONS (called "Arms" as a general term of any damage inflicting tool) to defend themselves...not to hunt, not to collect..not to shoot paper and win awards... The 2A was written to make sure you have the ability to KILL person trying to kill you.
                        Last edited by dieselpower; 08-31-2012, 7:18 AM.

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                        • #13
                          mkane
                          Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 440

                          And some wonder why most shouldn't own a firearm.

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                          • #14
                            Hopalong
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 2436

                            That's the problem with the English language

                            Too many words

                            Therefore, too much parsing of words, wiggle room definitions, and spin

                            I'm afraid we're stuck with it

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                            • #15
                              AmoAgave
                              Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 433

                              Originally posted by devilinblack
                              I blame the Army for my habit of calling all firearms weapons, but if I'm talking to a non-shooter I do find myself trying to use "rifle" or "pistol" instead.
                              Yup. Exactly my case. Been out for 20 years and still use weapon, rifle or pistol. A 'gun' was only used for the main gun on my tank.
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                              ‎... who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned....The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent.
                              - Cesare Beccaria

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