Modern/Best version of "Quick Clot" bandage?

[Danz la Nuit]

Was looking to purchase a few to put in the first aid kits, range bag, etc...

Looking for the "ideal" bandage/solution for a very serious bleeding wound, stab/gunshot etc...

Was looking at this model:

http://www.amazon.com/Quikclot-Advanced-Clotting-Bleeding-Package/dp/B001BCNTHC/

However, a review on another page was talking about how Quikclot is outdated and there are better, more modern equivalents on the market, yet failed to mention any names.

Anyone looked into this?

[Synergy]

I get my medical supplies from Life Assist, they sell to EMS and Fire Depts. Check with them for new medical stuff.

Some items you may not be able to purchase, call them to verify.

https://shop.life-assist.com/Life-Assist.aspx

[FatalKitty]

the reason they failed to mention any names is because QuickClot ACS is still used, effectively. and there isn't anything "better"

[voiceofreason]

http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=05188MT&source=nextopia

http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=05168MT&source=nextopia

stick with the folding/z packed stuff, easier to use according to my cousin (Army medic), stay away from anything that is a powder or granule; stick with stuff attached to gauze for ease of use

any powdered stuff... don't let it get into your eyes or you'll regret it

either of the above will work fine, the Combat Gauze is proven, but supposedly the Chitogauze is faster.

(I don't know enough to say whether the following brochure advertisement is true, but I'll share it here)

http://www.narescue.com/media/NAR/ChitoGauze/ChitoGauze_eBrochure.pdf

Chinookmed & narescue are both good to order from

for an individual first aid pouch:
ABDs are super cheap and I'd recommend having a few of those, a few rolls of med tape, and some sterile gauze, a CAT or SOF tourniquet, a few pair of nitrile gloves, med scissors, 4" israeli bandage, and some type of light

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=465760

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I'd recommend keeping a med kit in each car, and a small one in your backpack/work bag. The ones in the car I've used to clean and dress small wounds fairly regularly. Band aids, polysporin, q tips, nitrile gloves, gauze, tape... cheap small stuff that doesn't require money or space to have.

I REALLY like the small single use applications for the anti-infection gels/clear Polysporin. They're somewhere on the list above. SUPER useful.

Most issues you'll have aren't going to be gunshot wounds or stabbings, but small cuts and scrapes. Have the tools to address BOTH.

[CDFingers]

I don't need this new product, as I always keep a camp fire going with a branding iron in it. Cauterization...

CDFingers

[mroels]

I keep little individual packs like this in my car, wife's car, hiking bag, range bag. These are vacuum sealed to they're tiny and will fit even in cargo pant pockets but still have a lot of stuff in them.

http://www.botachtactical.com/tacpack2.html

I also have a proper blow out kit for when I go shoot on BLM land alone but that's a bit more pricey.

[Eirerogue]

+1 on Tacpack 2. I keep one in each car and I carry 3 in my med bag at the office.

[Socalmedix]

If you have a choice and are in an urban area, don't use Quickclot... It was developed for the battlefield for a reason. Our medical director (who is still an active army suregon) states it actually burns more tissue than really helps also it is used to form a clot and it could produce a thrombus in the bloodstream causing a heart attack or stroke if te clot moves through the vascular system. A better option is a tight bandage and as a last resort, a tourniquet. If a tourniquet is used, and the limb is repearfused in a reasonable time frame the limb can be saved.

[SkyStorm82]

If you have a choice and are in an urban area, don't use Quickclot... It was developed for the battlefield for a reason. Our medical director (who is still an active army suregon) states it actually burns more tissue than really helps also it is used to form a clot and it could produce a thrombus in the bloodstream causing a heart attack or stroke if te clot moves through the vascular system. A better option is a tight bandage and as a last resort, a tourniquet. If a tourniquet is used, and the limb is repearfused in a reasonable time frame the limb can be saved.

I believe the new Quikclot doesn't burn anymore.

[Socalmedix]

I hadnt heard that. I'll look into it... The vascular compromises are enough to steer me away from it. I'll opt for the pressure dressings and turnoquet.

[FatalKitty]

it doesn't burn. I have firsthand experience receiving it in an injury. it doesn't "burn more tissue than it helps" that is... well that's stupid, especially coming from a doctor.

it's because of my experience with it that I keep it in all my kits.

[Socalmedix]

Like i said, I have never used it personally, I just gathered my info from him. And yes when it first came out it burned, there were documented cases of 2nd degree thermal burns from the use of the product, check your facts... that was one of the reasons it was initially declined for civilian use.


http://www.fieldandstream.com/forums...kclot-your-kit "They stopped issuing Quikclot for awhile because the powder would burn up on all the blood or liquid on the surface too, and the doctors did not like cleaning up the scared tissue. "

Yea scarring happens spontaneously huh Fatalkitty? You seem like a real medical genius.

"Actually The army no longer uses quick clot, and now with more severe wounds go imediantly to a self appliable tourniquet as quick clot can do more damage. a tourniquet can be left on (and not loosened) for up to 6hrs (or so uncle sam told me) before you risk loss of limb."

http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...d.php?t=139859 "For all of you who are wondering, quikclot operates by reacting with the blood, exciting the platelets within the blood stream and in doing so clotting the wound at an accelerated rate. This reaction is highly exothermic, which causes the burning, most, if not all, granule based hemostatic agents will act in this way. However, the severity of the burning will differ depending on which brand you purchase. Another thing common to all of the granule based products is that they will have to be removed by a physician in a controlled setting. When the military still used granule based quikclot we were trained to only use it on extremity wounds, and to never apply it to the groin,chest, neck, or head area. Another thing about Quikclot (both Gauze and grandule based) is that it will react with any blood, so you need to make sure you clean out the wound of excess blood before you apply it. If not, it will react with standing blood in the wound and not treat the source of the bleed. This is the most likely reason why the aforementioned scout master had to change out the dressing.

Also, Quikclot was removed from all military first aid kits (Both IFAKs and Corpsman bags) about a year ago. We got rid of ours shortly before my last afghan deployment in November of 2009. It is now a punishable offense to use Quikclot in the field or a combat zone.

Now for my personal opinion, Granule based quikclot is not a viable survival medical implement because once you apply it it requires a trained physician to remove it, something you may or may not have. The tissue burning caused by the reaction will also make the wound area more prone to infection. "

Check your info before you post some uneducated response.

[Scuba Steve33]

I believe the new Quikclot doesn't burn anymore.

Correct. The old Quikclot burned. If it touched blood over flesh you were fine but if it got on any "clean" flesh it would leave serious burns. The new stuff doesn't.

However, Quikclot is not the best thing for someone wanting to have something to stop something like gun shot wounds. A tourniquet is the best thing you can have for serious wounds. http://combattourniquet.com/applications/military/ Obviously there are certain areas you cannot apply one and in that event pressure bandages work best. If you don't have experience with Quikclot you shouldn't be carrying the stuff. It's pointless to have stuff on hand if you don't know how to use it. Pack a couple tourniquets and some pressure bandages. Leave Quikclot to the medics.

Also, Quikclot was removed from all military first aid kits (Both IFAKs and Corpsman bags) about a year ago. We got rid of ours shortly before my last afghan deployment in November of 2009. It is now a punishable offense to use Quikclot in the field or a combat zone.

Not true at all.

[Socalmedix]

Not true at all.

I got that from that site I posted, hadn't confirmed it yet, however I have called our medical director for more info, just got off the phone with him:

By name "Quickclot" is not to be used in the battlefield anymore. Whatever the new trade name is what replaced it, also, the new stuff will still burn slightly, no where near as bad as "Quickclot". Also the new granules have the same potential for creating thrombus which can manifest itself as a Stroke, Myocardial Infarction, Pulmonary Embolism or a Deep Vein Thrombosis, the best option is the gauze with a slight amount of the new clotting agent.

Personally I wouldn't use it on myself or any of my loved ones.

[opie4386]

I thought the army was using/testing a chitosan based dressing to counter the burning of the ( old) quickclot.