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[kygen]

Quite honestly I was thinking this very thing a few days ago. I for one would also like to know the legality of this, or the grey area it encompasses

[fullautoUSMC]

Quite honestly I was thinking this very thing a few days ago. I for one would also like to know the legality of this, or the grey area it encompasses

I would imagine the only grey area it would fall into is if the letter of the law says anything like "stored SECURELY" or "unloaded and SECURED in the trunk" or something like that...not so sure a jury would find this method "secure". Or maybe they would...

[kygen]

They would argue that the mag and the firearm must not be easily accessible

[anymoose]

I think the point of it being in the trunk is that the trunk acts as a locked, secure container. If you have a giant hole in your container, it's not secure.

It would be the same thing as keeping it in your duty bag, bag locked on top, hole in the bottom of the bag. No longer a secure container.

I keep mine in my passenger seat while I'm driving, locked and unloaded with a 3 digit combo lock on a soft case. My 3 digit combo is always just 1 off and the combo is filled in red so I can find it in low light. The lock will also break if I pull on it really hard.

[drclark]

The law had some vaguely worded language regarding glove boxes and "utility compartments" not qualifying as a secure container... Since the law and/or regulations do not define what a utility compartment is/isn't there are those who have argued on both sides of a locking "gun vault" permanently installed in a vehicle center console.

[fullautoUSMC]

I think the point of it being in the trunk is that the trunk acts as a locked, secure container. If you have a giant hole in your container, it's not secure.

It would be the same thing as keeping it in your duty bag, bag locked on top, hole in the bottom of the bag. No longer a secure container.

I keep mine in my passenger seat while I'm driving, locked and unloaded with a 3 digit combo lock on a soft case. My 3 digit combo is always just 1 off and the combo is filled in red so I can find it in low light. The lock will also break if I pull on it really hard.

I like the idea of that. Out of curiosity, where does it go if you leave your vehicle for a period of time, say if you went to the grocery store?

[fullautoUSMC]

Before I learned the glovebox was prohibited, I used to keep mine in the glove compartment, with the glove compartment locked and the key sticking out of it while I'm moving. I moved all my lic. ins. and registration to the net behind the passenger seat so the weapon is the only thing in my glovebox, with the plan that if pulled over, I just remove the key. I might add that I do not take part in any lifestyle or activity to where one would want to search/bother searching my vehicle.

[gatesbox]

IMO the most interesting option is the biometric Speed Vault bolted in the most convenient location. IANAL but I believe you can mount these right to the driverside floorboards totally legally. Also someone needs to chime in on ammo.

If I'm not mistaken you could have a loaded mag in your pocket, no locked requirement.

http://www.gunvault.com/speedvault-biometric-svb500.html

[anymoose]

I like the idea of that. Out of curiosity, where does it go if you leave your vehicle for a period of time, say if you went to the grocery store?

Under the seat, in a backpack, or in the trunk

[todd2968]

It is my understanding having a weapon that is registered to you loaded in your possession is a misdemeanor and having one not registered is a felony.
I would at least try for conceal carry and if you were denied at least if you had to shoot somebody you have some defense.

[anymoose]

It is my understanding having a weapon that is registered to you loaded in your possession is a misdemeanor and having one not registered is a felony.
I would at least try for conceal carry and if you were denied at least if you had to shoot somebody you have some defense.

its a prohibiting misdemeanor though.

[anymoose]

IMO the most interesting option is the biometric Speed Vault bolted in the most convenient location. IANAL but I believe you can't mount these right to the driverside floorboards totally legally. Also someone needs to chime in on ammo.

If I'm not mistaken you could have a loaded mag in your pocket, no locked requirement.

http://www.gunvault.com/speedvault-b...ic-svb500.html

i think the general opinion is that if you bolt the lock box to the car, it is as much a part of the car as a glove/utility compartment, so you couldnt put your gun in it.

ammo can be carried anywhere except for in the gun. you can tape a magazine to the gun if you wanted and it would be legal as far as loaded/unloaded is concerned.

[Librarian]

My idea is to mount a holster (with magazine holster) to the inside of the fuzzy divider piece, which would fit my G23. When closed, it would keep the weapon in the trunk. And when opened, it would present the grip of the weapon to me for a quicker and easy draw. I can reach this from the driver's seat. Thoughts/critiques, anyone?

First impression, that isn't such a good idea.

Here are the criteria in PC 25610:

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.

That doesn't sound like 'locked in the trunk'. It doesn't seem to be 'a locked container'. Perhaps I misunderstand.

Other things in the thread:

if you bolt the lock box to the car, it is as much a part of the car as a glove/utility compartment, so you couldnt put your gun in it.

I disagree that opinion is generally held. We don't have any case law for guidance, so we just don't know.

They would argue that the mag and the firearm must not be easily accessible

No law imposes that restriction.