.357 vs.9mm And..Modesto area shooting

[vector16]

I have a couple of questions.
1) why is a .357 so much better than a 9mm. The 9mm is a larger bullet and with HPs it should be more effective than the smaller .357 round. I understand that the .357 has a higher volocity but that should not really matter when comparing it to a 9mm. The 9mm used to be the round that would pass through the target and just keep going but now w/ HPs that should not be the case. The 9mm should be able to do a better job at dispatching a threat do to its dia. than a .357 any day.

2) I just moved up to the Modesto, CA area. I have found 1 0r 2 ranges to target shoot. None of these places allows rapid fire or double taps. The Manteca Sprotsmen only allows you to shoot i shell per clay when it comes to shotgums. I am used to shooting clays where if I miss, pump the shotgun and shoot again, miss and shoot again till the clay hit the ground. I did that at Manteca Sportsmen and that was a MAJOR issue. They got PISSED. The rifle range is only 100 yards and I need to zero at 200+ befor hunting season up here.

Does anyone know where I can go shooting with pistols, rifles, and shotguns where ther are not all these rules and regulations and that has a distance of 200+ yards range. The Candy Rock quarry is supposed to be okay but they do not what skeet shoouing up there and nothing with .50 cal or more, so a shotgun in general is out at .70 cal with slugs. It would be nice to find someone that know of an area to go shoot up here on BLM land or something like that.
Any ideas???

[IrishPirate]

1) it's not better, it's different. Is a .50BMG better than a .22lr? not if you're hunting squirrels! conversely, I doubt there are any anti-vehicle rifles chambered in .22lr.... i would trust either one with my life when facing a bad guy, but i'd rather have a .357 in the woods.

speed isn't always the deciding factor in what people refer to as "stopping power", and neither is size. A small bullet going really fast can do just as much damage as a large bullet going slow. force = mass X velocity and if you look at most handgun calibers, the differences are negligible when compared to the force required to create a "kill shot". The REAL deciding factor is shot placement. "a hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45"

2)sorry, can't help.

[G60]

The difference in diameter between 9mm and .357 is like one or two thousandths of an inch.

[MiddleKingdom]

I have a couple of questions.
1) why is a .357 so much better than a 9mm. The 9mm is a larger bullet and with HPs it should be more effective than the smaller .357 round. I understand that the .357 has a higher volocity but that should not really matter when comparing it to a 9mm. The 9mm used to be the round that would pass through the target and just keep going but now w/ HPs that should not be the case. The 9mm should be able to do a better job at dispatching a threat do to its dia. than a .357 any day.

Doesn't the .357 Magnum also have more mass than a standard 9mm? The physics suggest that the .357 will be more effective. Also, perhaps a JHP round can be better engineered to expand since it doesn't need to slide up a feed ramp like on a semi-auto. Just speculation.

[jmust1991]

Linden gas a 200 yard range, official name is San Joaquin rifle and pistol range.

Trap shooting rules are 1 shot per target , you will need to make friends with someone that has land if you want to see how many shells you can get off before the clay touches the ground

Regarding ,357 vs 9mm - get your flame suit on!

[MiddleKingdom]

Does anyone know where I can go shooting with pistols, rifles, and shotguns where ther are not all these rules and regulations and that has a distance of 200+ yards range. The Candy Rock quarry is supposed to be okay but they do not what skeet shoouing up there and nothing with .50 cal or more, so a shotgun in general is out at .70 cal with slugs. It would be nice to find someone that know of an area to go shoot up here on BLM land or something like that.
Any ideas???

I think there is a range in Linden where you can at least double tap or rapid fire.

[Agent 0range]

Seriously? I'll take .357 mag all day over 9mm.

[PEZHEAD265]

357 is a hair bigger then 9mm .355. 357 has a lot more velocity then 9mm even with a heavier bullet.There is a club in modesto that I believe has a longer rifle range.They have there rules at Manteca and that is for safety reasons.Next time you are there look up at the pistol range and see how many holes are in the roof of the overhang.357 over 9mm anytime and all day.

[CDFingers]

CDFingers

[Cowboy T]

I have a couple of questions.
1) why is a .357 so much better than a 9mm. The 9mm is a larger bullet and with HPs it should be more effective than the smaller .357 round. I understand that the .357 has a higher volocity but that should not really matter when comparing it to a 9mm. The 9mm used to be the round that would pass through the target and just keep going but now w/ HPs that should not be the case. The 9mm should be able to do a better job at dispatching a threat do to its dia. than a .357 any day.

Umm...you have it backwards. The 9mm round uses a 0.355" bullet. The 357 Magnum uses a 0.357" bullet (hence the name). You clearly have a lot to learn first before making statements as you have here. I'd suggest a couple of good reloading manuals so you can learn about the rounds, even if you don't plan on reloading. Lyman's 49th and Modern Reloading are two good, general-purpose ones.

As for which round is "better"...depends on what you want to do with it. So, without further information on what you want to do with it, the answer right now is, "neither".

[Fishslayer]

You clearly have a lot to learn first before making statements as you have here.

^^^ This...

[compulsivegunbuyer]

If you talking about 357mag, there is no comparison. A 357mag can be loaded beyond any 9mm, period. If I were between a 400 pound black bear and her cubs, I would take the 357 mag anyday.

[Big D]

Are you shooting skeet with slugs? maybe that's why you have to shoot ai them until they hit the ground

[Bro KV]

Magnum or Sig?

[Sampachi]

Just off the top of my head, .357 magnum bullets tend to weigh around 158 grains. I think I have some that are 180gr.
9mm if I recall, averages around 115-124gr.
On top of that, the velocity is higher on the .357 and hollow points were used more often in revolvers back in the past because automatics tended to have difficulties functioning with them. Mind you, that was the past.

The only thing that newer 9s have over the .357 is capacity. Since we are limited to 10 round magazines in California that isn't sch a big deal when you have some of the newer revolvers that hold more than 6.

Maybe a semi-auto .357 is a good compromise?

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