10 day waiting period PPT question.

[mreed]

Hey guys, just bought a wasr 10/63 from a local friend of mine yesterday 6/25/12 at 10am. The LGS told me the first date I could pick it up would be the 7th of July? Shouldn't it be sooner than this? I can understand if they are closed for a few days when my pick up is, but I doubt that is the case lol. Anyways is that the right pick up? Lol

[paul0660]

You should be able to pick it up after 240 1 hour periods, regardless of their hours. If they are closed when that period elapses, you should be able to pick it up right away when they open.

Many people will want to know to whom you refer.

[mreed]

Are Sundays included? ( I don't see why they wouldnt be?)

[paul0660]

240 1 hour periods,

And it doesn't matter when you go to church.,

[mreed]

Ok thank you, im just gonna call them tomorrow and ask whats up with that. 10 days is ong enough im not gonna wait any longer, or just walk in on the 5th to pick up :P

[meaty-btz]

Not 10 days, read what he said, 240 hours. Not 10 days as in 5:00pm transaction on the 1st and a 7:30 am pick up on the 10th. If you bought it at 5:00pm on the 1st then you cannot pick it up before 5:00pm on the 10th, not 4:57, 4:58, 4:59, 4:59 and 55 seconds, 5:00 pm is the EARLIEST pickup time. It can be be on the 11th, the 12th and all the way up to the 30day time limit. If he is closed on the 4th-6th then there is no possible way to pick it up on the 5th.. cuz he is closed.

[Arkangel]

Some stores have 11 day policies. TDS guns in Bonita is one example, they make you sign a form informing you that pick up is anytime on the 11th day. So add days the store may be closed ( for example Sunday) and you can wind up with a prolonged wait time.

[paul0660]

It can be be on the 11th, the 12th and all the way up to the 30day time limit

Which is BS, and not specified in the penal code or anywhere else.

[Librarian]

Some stores have 11 day policies. TDS guns in Bonita is one example, they make you sign a form informing you that pick up is anytime on the 11th day. So add days the store may be closed ( for example Sunday) and you can wind up with a prolonged wait time.

... presuming that Sunday happens to be the 10th (or, 11th) day and the store is closed - 10 days is not '10 business days'. (That is, intervening closed days before the end point do not lengthen the 10 days; days closed 'count'.)

The 10-day wait law is 27540, in relevant part

No dealer, whether or not acting pursuant to Chapter 5
(commencing with Section 28050), shall deliver a firearm to a person,
as follows:
(a) Within 10 days of the application to purchase, or, after
notice by the department pursuant to Section 28220, within 10 days of
the submission to the department of any correction to the
application, or within 10 days of the submission to the department of
any fee required pursuant to Section 28225, whichever is later.

'application to purchase' is 'complete and submit DROS'. (PC 16190)

The limitation on the dealer in PC is '10 days'. Any more than that is business practice. One's redress for an unwelcome business practice is 'do not do business with them'.

[Arkangel]

The limitation on the dealer in PC is '10 days'. Any more than that is business practice. One's redress for an unwelcome business practice is 'do not do business with them'.

Correct.

When I asked why 11 days? I was told "It's store policy".


Edit: To clarify what I meant by how a store being closed can prolong the wait time: For example a store has an 11 day policy, the 11th falls on a day the store is closed, but they are also closed on the 12th day... Now you are 13 days with the combination of the store's policy and schedule.

[meaty-btz]

Which is BS, and not specified in the penal code or anywhere else.

The PC only sets the minimum, it does not set a Requirement on maximum other than the DROS is only good for 30 days. So no, not BS. If a store wanted you to wait 29 days, they could set that as their policy, but they would be out of business pretty fast.

11 Day waits are common in this state as the stores seek to avoid any and all possibility of running into trouble. They are perfectly within their rights to refuse delivery until the 11th day.

The PC sets the minimum and the maximum (DROS is only valid for 30 days). I have never had an issue, if you can wait 10, what is one more, if you can't stand that don't do business with that store. There is no requirement that you use one store or another.

Care to try and take another swipe at me?

[troutbum54]

Since everyone here knows about the 10 day wait or even 11 day, why don't you buy it a day or two earlier instead of crying about it?

[paul0660]

Care to try and take another swipe at me?

I know you are not kidding, but you don't know what a "swipe" is anyway.

I said BS because it gives the gun store the authority, in absence of codification, to take as long as they like, short of 30 days, to deliver the gun. As you and others have pointed out, we can take our business elsewhere, but it is still BS, no more sensible than having gas pumps that deliver less than a gallon while charging for one. THAT is regulated, and I think 240 hours, even if the gun store guy has to use a pencil to figure it, is pretty darn straight forward.

[tenpercentfirearms]

As you and others have pointed out, we can take our business elsewhere, but it is still BS, no more sensible than having gas pumps that deliver less than a gallon while charging for one.

So I just want to understand you correctly that businesses charging people for a gallon of gas but giving them less is wrong like making people wait an extra day for their firearm? There goes your credibility.

Making people wait an extra day is not theft. Sorry.

Yeah people who started their ten days after 2 PM on Thursday June 21st at my store are stuck on a 14 day wait because of us being closed on Monday and taking Tuesday and Wednesday off. However, if you started on Thursday June 21st at 155 PM, you can pick up before we close on Sunday July 1st.

I have an employee write down everyone's pick up date and time on a post it note on the 4473 and we also write it down on your sales order receipt. It isn't that hard.

For the OP, your ten days are up on July 5th at 10 AM. Not sure why the store wants you to wait until the 7th. Either their error or they think 4th of July doesn't count and they like 11 days as well.

[paul0660]

Why regulate gas pumps if we can just take our business to the station that charges us fairly?

I have a short list of gun stores that cannot count to 240. An extra day may or may not be a hindrance, but as been pointed out, some dealers take even longer to deliver............ OUR gun.